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All those signposted routes
by Sarah Hoffmann 15 Oct '11

15 Oct '11

Hi, after some more tweaking of the server, I am now able to offer maps for all waymarked routes in Switzerland (well, apart from the canoe routes. Are they even signposted?). You'll find them here: Hiking: http://hiking.lonvia.de Bicycle: http://cycling.lonvia.de Mountain-biking: http://mtb.lonvia.de Inline skating: http://skating.lonvia.de As usual, all maps are overlays for the standard Mapnik map and are updated once daily. (MTB and inline skating are still in beta-testing state, so please tell me, if something doesn't work.) The tagging for the first three kinds of routes should be quite clear. Use route=hiking/bicycle/mtb and the usual tags for the Swiss Mobile Network (see also OSM Wiki). Inline skating, however, is another matter. There are only about a dozen relations world-wide in the database and every mapper managed to come up with a different route tag. In Switzerland, the inline skating route are still tagged with route=bicycle (for the renderer, I was told). So, basically, we can invent a shiny new value for route, if we want. For the moment, I have decided to go with route=inline_skates because it is used most (well, 4 times). Would that be ok? If there are no objections or other suggestions, I would change the route tag of the existing routes and also remove the 'IS' from the ref, as this was only used to distinguish them from cycle routes. Gruss Sarah

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Re: [talk-ch] All those signposted routes
by Sarah Hoffmann 15 Oct '11

15 Oct '11

Simon Poole wrote: > Am 15.10.2011 12:38, schrieb Sarah Hoffmann: > > > >> Also, what is with the network tag? again needed for national/local > >> distinguishing? But the other relations still carry the cycling network > >> tag. perhaps replace the ncn with national and rcn with regional? > > Yes, that would be a good idea. We discussed something similar > > on the IRC yesterday and so far, everybody seems to like > > national/regional/local as a value. > > > > At the moment the map recognizes ncn/rcn/lcn because it's what the > > Wiki says at the moment. But if somebody would write a short mail > > to the tagging mailinglist and change the wiki, I'll happily fix > > the map. > > > > I've changed the wiki, I don't see why the tagging list should be > involved, we are simply > not misusing an existing tag value any more (in other words a non-event). Well, that is decided then in the best tradition of OSM do-ocracy. >From tomorrow on the skating map should render routes as described in the wiki now. network=national/regional/local should be recognized. There are no international routes at the moment, even if the legende says so. (There is anyways a good chance that the legende will disappear soon.) Sarah

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GEOSummit 2012, 19.-21. Juni 2012, Bern: Call for Papers eröffnet! Aussteller-Tisch mieten?
by Stefan Keller 07 Oct '11

07 Oct '11

Liebe Mapper Am 19.-21. Juni 2012 findet die GEOSummit 2012 an der BEA in Bern (CH) statt. Es ist dies der grösste Schweizer Kongress (GEOConf) mit Ausstellung (GEOExpo) für Geoinformation. Nun ist der Call for Papers zur GEOConf - u.a. zu Themen wie Open Data und Crowd Sourcing - eröffnet worden. Ich erhoffe mir natürlich, dass auch einige Beiträge aus der OSM Community eingereicht werden (Achtung: Die Einreichungsfrist ist bereits Ende November 2011!). Ein akzeptierter Vortrag gibt freien Eintritt. Wünschbar könnte auch sein, dass die OSM Community einen Tisch in der Ausstellung (GEOExpo) mietet. Der kostet leider etwas, was wir aber aufteilen könnten. Das Angebot sieht im Detail voraussichtlich so aus: Ausstellertyp "Budget": 1 Tisch (225 x 75 mm), 2 Stühle, 1 Poster A0, 1 GEOSummit Ticket, 1 GEOParty Ticket sowie 20 GEOExpo Tickets. Infos: * GEOSummit Homepage: http://www.geosummit.ch * und Call for Papers http://www.geowebforum.ch/thread.php?postingID=2390#2390 LG, Stefan

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Stammtisch in Zürich am 11. Oktober
by Thomas Ineichen 07 Oct '11

07 Oct '11

Hallo zusammen, am nächsten Dienstag findet der Stammtisch wieder zum 'normalen' Zeitpunkt statt: Datum: 11. Oktober 2011 Zeit: ab 18 Uhr Ort bei den Sofas zwischen bQm und Mensa, ETH Zürich http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lon=8.5467&lat=47.37598&zoom=18&mlon=8.5467&m… Hat für den Winter ev. jemand inzwischen eine bessere Idee als die ETH? Vorschläge sind jederzeit willkommen.. Themen, (nicht-obligatorische) Anmeldung und weitere Infos: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Zürich/OSM-Treffen Gruss, Thomas

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MakeOpenData.ch
by François Bianco 22 Sep '11

22 Sep '11

Bonjour à tous, Nous organisons avec /ch/open le premire campus Open Data en Suisse le 30 septembre et 1er octobre 2011 : http://makeOpenData.ch Je pense que ce sujet pourrait intéresser OSM. En effet, vous connaissez sûrement des sources d'informations ouvertes et libres proposées par les cantons ou la Confédération que vous souhaiteriez intégrer à OSM. C'est pour cette raisoin que je vous invite à venir présenter vos idées lors de cet évènement et peut-être trouver des dévelopeurs à même de vous aider pour les réaliser ! Meilleures salutations, François Bianco, pour le comité d'organisation -- Swiss Open Systems User Group http://ch-open.ch Swisslinux.org − Le carrefour GNU/Linux en Suisse − http://www.swisslinux.org

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22. Zürcher OSM-Stammtisch 11. oder 12. September 2011?
by Stefan Keller 14 Sep '11

14 Sep '11

Liebe Mapper Ich möchte nichts forcieren - aber wie sieht's aus mit dem 22. Zürcher OSM-Stammtisch? So. 11. oder Mo. 12. September 2011 - oder erst im Oktober wieder? Vgl. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Zürich/OSM-Treffen Stefan

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Re: [talk-ch] Ask for mediation - Practical examples
by tnk＠gmx.net 09 Sep '11

09 Sep '11

On 08.09.2011 20:12, Stéphane Brunner wrote: > Je répond d'un bloc car je n'ai rien a dire sur les détails, je vais juste parle le la distinction carte/plan, car c'est bien le nœud du problème, Stéphane, I'm not sure if you are getting it. You might want to have another look at the details in the three pictures that I send yesterday. Which one comes closest to your ideal of a plan? And which one comes second? Before, you mentioned something about "compromis (ce que j'ai déjà fais avec de nombreux contributeurs)". I'm wondering what might have happend to their motivation and productivity. For three years, there has been a new and popular subway station in the center of Lausanne and none of the local mappers bothered to map its surroundings or cared about pedestrian routing. And there were not a lot of paths in the parc de l'Hermitage and the foret de Sauvabelin until I put them there. And in the Bois du Jorat there were plenty of duplicate and unconnected tracks and paths (Potlatch mapping?), with a lot of parts (still) missing. Those were the areas where I mapped and that I cared for. And those were the areas where I took the liberty to use highways as borders of area multipolygons. You on the other hand seem to take the liberty to tear up white space whereever it pleases you, because you feel that you are right. You create the white space for its own sake, because in the end you don't even bother to subsequently map the highways as areas. You don't need to lecture me that Riponne_3 is more "correct" than Riponne_2. You got it your way already. You need to find now some mappers on the ground who are willing to go beyond Riponne_1 in other places. Thorsten -- NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurück-Garantie! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone

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Re: [talk-ch] Ask for mediation - Practical examples
by tnk＠gmx.net 08 Sep '11

08 Sep '11

On 07.09.2011 22:45, Stéphane Brunner wrote: > Ouai, sauf que dans OSM on a pas les rue en tant que surface, du coup cela veux dire que, surtout dans les cas ou l'on fais du micro mapping, la place va jusqu’au milieux de la rue. Je sais que je joue un peut sur le mot mais ou final je ne voie pas comment on peut dire que dans le deux exemple que j'ai attaché on ne puisse dire qu'il contiennent autant d'information, car le ex1.osm contiens clairement plus d'informations. Since Stéphane brought up the Place de la Riponne earlier, why don't we stay with this example? That would probably be the most appropriate way to discuss what kind of information is important to Stéphane and what kind of information is important to me. Riponne_1_ orig.jpg shows the Place de la Riponne as it was before I touched it and with which Stéphane seemed to be perfectly happy. Riponne_2_shernott.jpg shows the Place de la Riponne after I had a first go at it and added the corridors and stairways inside the subway station and some pedestrian ways on the place. Those of you who know the place will realize that the subway station is greatly simplified and stylized. If you have a look at the entrances to the east, you will see that I changed them from a more exact to a more useful way (with regard to routing for pedestrians and wheelchairs). And you can see the shifted borders of the place multipolygon, with the old borders in pink, which I had left around in anticipation of Stéphane's reaction. From my point of view, I added quite a bit of useful information (and also exactitude) to the place and took away some information and exactitude that would be expected in a zone plan, but not have an purpose on a map. So this is a practical example for what I meant when I was talking yesterday about maps and plans. Riponne_3_stéphane.jpg shows the Place de la Riponne 2 days later, after Stéphane had his way again. And now that I have confessed my sins of simplification and stylization, we'll probably soon be able to witness some more activity around the subway station. ;-) So when Stefan Keller proposed to get some wider spectrum of opinions, I think the question that needs to be answered (for every area and for every community individually) is whether we want to create a plan or a map. We can't have both. At least not in the same area. We might be able to toggle and prioritize the rendering of certain tags according to map type and zoom level. But to my knowledge there are no algorithms with the ability to produce the kind of simplifications and stylisations that you make on a map, because that implies decisions about moving, combining and deleting ways and nodes. Thorsten (Shernott) -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

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Bicycle parkings in Lausanne, Prilly and Epalinges
by tnk＠gmx.net 08 Sep '11

08 Sep '11

On 06.09.2011 19:51, Stefan Keller wrote: > In any case, before you loose motivation: How about doing some micromapping meanwhile :->? Speaking of micromapping... :-) ... I recently participated in a surveillance of publicly accessible bicycle parkings in Lausanne, Prilly and Epalinges, so I do have data (I just made sure that I own it) in the form of geotagged photos describing their nature and the number of places. Where the individual places are packed to densely to be useful or where the supports are broken, only a part of them is counted. (There are some official guide lines on how to count bicycle parking places...) General two-wheel parking spots without bike supports were not counted in this surveillance. I have no idea how bicycle parkings are supposed to look like on a "véritable plan de zone de bonne qualité" and I don't particularly care to find out. So if anyone should be interested in those photos, they are still online in Picasa, please help yourself: https://picasaweb.google.com/105035756247213261732/StationnementVelo?authke… Thorsten (Shernott) -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

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Re still active users
by Arthur Bonino 08 Sep '11

08 Sep '11

Hi Simon we have LUGBE: www.LUGBE.ch/mail/index.phtml. I have no directly contact, we have the same location (Mac-Freaks 'BaerenTalk). Arthur >> Does anybody on the list have contact to LUGS and/or similar >> organisations that may >> have overlap in their audience? If yes, it might be a good idea to >> send a mail pointing >> out the license change to their members (based on the assumption that >> there may be >> a couple of mapers that have lost interest in OSM, but are still >> active in other projects). >> >> Simon

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