After the FOSS4G conference in Firenze, I realize I met many people who are in Zürich and maybe some other parts of Switzerland but not part of the SOSM community.
What is the best way to point people to a welcome resource or give some kind of invite to join discussions?
Should we consider any additional channels?
Previously I proposed making a Facebook page (not group) which serves as a good way for me to use some advertising credit to promote the page to demographics in Switzerland as an advertisement. But ideally that's not the central place just a pointer toward mailing list and other places.
Is there any newsletter that may be more consolidated than the mailing list (could link to top mailing list topics).
I am still new but definitely interested to have a good link to send to people to get more involved if they are totally unfamiliar with mailing lists and need a point of entry.
How about a Swiss section on the new Discourse forum, with sticky messages to help newcomers?
Peter Elderson
Op 29 aug. 2022 om 19:03 heeft Christopher Beddow christopher.beddow@gmail.com het volgende geschreven:
After the FOSS4G conference in Firenze, I realize I met many people who are in Zürich and maybe some other parts of Switzerland but not part of the SOSM community.
What is the best way to point people to a welcome resource or give some kind of invite to join discussions?
Should we consider any additional channels?
Previously I proposed making a Facebook page (not group) which serves as a good way for me to use some advertising credit to promote the page to demographics in Switzerland as an advertisement. But ideally that's not the central place just a pointer toward mailing list and other places.
Is there any newsletter that may be more consolidated than the mailing list (could link to top mailing list topics).
I am still new but definitely interested to have a good link to send to people to get more involved if they are totally unfamiliar with mailing lists and need a point of entry. _______________________________________________ talk-ch mailing list talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/mailman/listinfo/talk-ch
Since nearly a decade new mappers in Switzerland get a welcome message pointing them to the mailing list, relevant social media accounts (since a couple of months including a FP page), the wiki and the SOSM website.
Other activities include regular presence at conferences and similar events, joint projects with WMF Switzerland and other organisations with similar aims (chopen, opendata.ch etc.) and promoting OSM in a educational context (https://openschoolmaps.ch/).
We currently don't promote the existing forum as we don't want to split limited resources over too many places, once the existing forum has been migrated to the new service, it may make sense to regroup around the Discourse service, but there are pro and cons to that and in the end the Swiss community will need to come to a consensus on that.
I'm not going to go in to details on all the services SOSM offers, but I will point out that we see our main role in promoting OSM and providing services to the community, not in banging the drum for SOSM itself.
Simon
Aha thanks Simon, and agreed, too much stuff becomes too much work. The new message goes to the OSM Inbox?
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 19:51 Simon Poole simon@poole.ch wrote:
Since nearly a decade new mappers in Switzerland get a welcome message pointing them to the mailing list, relevant social media accounts (since a couple of months including a FP page), the wiki and the SOSM website.
Other activities include regular presence at conferences and similar events, joint projects with WMF Switzerland and other organisations with similar aims (chopen, opendata.ch etc.) and promoting OSM in a educational context (https://openschoolmaps.ch/).
We currently don't promote the existing forum as we don't want to split limited resources over too many places, once the existing forum has been migrated to the new service, it may make sense to regroup around the Discourse service, but there are pro and cons to that and in the end the Swiss community will need to come to a consensus on that.
I'm not going to go in to details on all the services SOSM offers, but I will point out that we see our main role in promoting OSM and providing services to the community, not in banging the drum for SOSM itself.
Simon
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Am 29.08.2022 um 19:52 schrieb Christopher Beddow:
Aha thanks Simon, and agreed, too much stuff becomes too much work. The new message goes to the OSM Inbox?
Yes, and there's currently no alternative. Most editors will indicate that you have unread messages, so it doesn't entirely rely on e-mail working for notification. There are a couple of open issues for the rails-port on potential improvements to the messaging system, but that's a bit out of scope here.
One thing to note is that we historically haven't promoted becoming a SOSM member in a big way. On the one hand we've always wanted to avoid the impression that you need to participate in organized activities to contribute to OSM, on the other hand, as I mentioned, we've always understood ourselves as a service organisation and that doesn't really require mass membership. More members would clearly be good, in particular more active members, but that leads to the same dilemma as being active in the OSMF and OSMF working groups. Either you need to spend more time on OSM or it takes away from mapping which is likely why you started being a regular OSM contributor in the first place.
The larger challenge is that the novelty of OpenStreetMap has worn off, naturally totally expected and compounded by OSM being a success and in a sense "winning". This makes contacts with governments, other organisations and the industry far easier, but on the other hand has reduced media coverage in Switzerland to a trickle over recent years, making it difficult to get the message out to a larger audience.
Simon
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 19:51 Simon Poole simon@poole.ch wrote:
Since nearly a decade new mappers in Switzerland get a welcome message pointing them to the mailing list, relevant social media accounts (since a couple of months including a FP page), the wiki and the SOSM website. Other activities include regular presence at conferences and similar events, joint projects with WMF Switzerland and other organisations with similar aims (chopen, opendata.ch <http://opendata.ch> etc.) and promoting OSM in a educational context (https://openschoolmaps.ch/). We currently don't promote the existing forum as we don't want to split limited resources over too many places, once the existing forum has been migrated to the new service, it may make sense to regroup around the Discourse service, but there are pro and cons to that and in the end the Swiss community will need to come to a consensus on that. I'm not going to go in to details on all the services SOSM offers, but I will point out that we see our main role in promoting OSM and providing services to the community, not in banging the drum for SOSM itself. Simon -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit Kaiten Mail gesendet. _______________________________________________ talk-ch mailing list talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/mailman/listinfo/talk-ch
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Hello,
Le 30.08.22 à 11:27, Simon Poole a écrit :
Am 29.08.2022 um 19:52 schrieb Christopher Beddow:
Aha thanks Simon, and agreed, too much stuff becomes too much work. The new message goes to the OSM Inbox?
Yes, and there's currently no alternative.
I participated in the welcome of newcomers to France. There we put the welcome message on the changeset, the advantage was to be able to do this with several people and see who had already received the message. but here you can do this yourself, which limits the interest of the message on the changeset.
The larger challenge is that the novelty of OpenStreetMap has worn off
to impose osm on new audiences, I think you have to meet their needs. and one of the main needs that Google Mps and other proprietary solutions meet is address search and guidance: - to make consumer applications known to the end user (OsmAnd, Qwant, ...) I was just discussing yesterday with other contributors about creating an osm+addr opendata pbf. it would be practical to be able to make a file forI was just discussing yesterday with other contributors about creating an osm+addr opendata pbf. it would be practical to be able to make a file for osmand I was just discussing yesterday with other contributors about creating an osm+addr opendata pbf. it would be practical to be able to make a file for osmand - I'm not sure if this is a good idea, but I'm sure it's a good idea to try to make openstreetmap presentations in regions that don't have existing local groups. - have osm used for example for the map of the municipalities - accompanying (review, talk, ...) the newcomers increases the chances that they will continue.
Regards, Marc
Hello,
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Le 30.08.22 à 11:27, Simon Poole a écrit :> Am 29.08.2022 um 19:52 schrieb Christopher Beddow:
Aha thanks Simon, and agreed, too much stuff becomes too much work. The new message goes to the OSM Inbox?
Yes, and there's currently no alternative.
I participated in the welcome of newcomers to France. There we put the welcome message on the changeset, the advantage was to be able to do this with several people and see who had already received the message. but here you can do this yourself, which limits the interest of the message on the changeset.
The larger challenge is that the novelty of OpenStreetMap has worn off
For new audiences, I think you have to meet their needs. and one of the main needs that Google Mps and other proprietary solutions meet is address search and guidance: - promote end-user applications (OsmAnd, Qwant, ...) - make all addr available to end-user I was just discussing yesterday with other contributors about creating an osm+addr opendata pbf. it would be practical to be able to make a file for OsmAnd - try to make openstreetmap presentations in regions that don't have existing local groups. - have osm used for example for the map of the municipalities - accompanying (review, talk, ...) the newcomers increases the chances that they will continue.
Regards, Marc
I think my own use case is different. Specifically, I met someone at a conference who does not edit OSM but is interested to learn. I'd like to inform them about how to get involved in the local OSM community.
I could write them on LinkedIn or via email with some YouTube tutorial links, a link to the weekly OSM newsletter, instructions for the Swiss OSM talk-ch mailing list, and other tips.
I may very well do so. But would it not then be helpful to have this same welcome info copied/pasted/hosted somewhere, even a GitHub markdown file, that we could actually share as a web link to anyone we meet anywhere to help them get started locally as a Swiss resident who may indeed want to join a meeting, a Stammtisch, online discussions and such? It's what I look for here and would look for if I arrived in another place.
Anyway, I can happily put together something and only ask for opinions on what else might be helpful.
Best,
Chris
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 13:49 Marc M. marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com wrote:
Hello,
resend due to garbage
Le 30.08.22 à 11:27, Simon Poole a écrit :> Am 29.08.2022 um 19:52 schrieb Christopher Beddow:
Aha thanks Simon, and agreed, too much stuff becomes too much work. The new message goes to the OSM Inbox?
Yes, and there's currently no alternative.
I participated in the welcome of newcomers to France. There we put the welcome message on the changeset, the advantage was to be able to do this with several people and see who had already received the message. but here you can do this yourself, which limits the interest of the message on the changeset.
The larger challenge is that the novelty of OpenStreetMap has worn off
For new audiences, I think you have to meet their needs. and one of the main needs that Google Mps and other proprietary solutions meet is address search and guidance:
- promote end-user applications (OsmAnd, Qwant, ...)
- make all addr available to end-user
I was just discussing yesterday with other contributors about creating an osm+addr opendata pbf. it would be practical to be able to make a file for OsmAnd
- try to make openstreetmap presentations in regions
that don't have existing local groups.
- have osm used for example for the map of the municipalities
- accompanying (review, talk, ...) the newcomers increases
the chances that they will continue.
Regards, Marc _______________________________________________ talk-ch mailing list talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/mailman/listinfo/talk-ch
Am 30.08.2022 um 23:58 schrieb Christopher Beddow:
I think my own use case is different. Specifically, I met someone at a conference who does not edit OSM but is interested to learn. I'd like to inform them about how to get involved in the local OSM community.
Somewhere we have the text for the flyers we've printed. That is probably a good starting point for messaging "non-mappers"- I can't remember right now if that is multi-lingual (the message I send out is), I'll see if I can locate that.
Simon
I could write them on LinkedIn or via email with some YouTube tutorial links, a link to the weekly OSM newsletter, instructions for the Swiss OSM talk-ch mailing list, and other tips.
I may very well do so. But would it not then be helpful to have this same welcome info copied/pasted/hosted somewhere, even a GitHub markdown file, that we could actually share as a web link to anyone we meet anywhere to help them get started locally as a Swiss resident who may indeed want to join a meeting, a Stammtisch, online discussions and such? It's what I look for here and would look for if I arrived in another place.
Anyway, I can happily put together something and only ask for opinions on what else might be helpful.
Best,
Chris
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 13:49 Marc M. marc_marc_irc@hotmail.com wrote:
Hello, resend due to garbage Le 30.08.22 à 11:27, Simon Poole a écrit :> Am 29.08.2022 um 19:52 schrieb Christopher Beddow: >> Aha thanks Simon, and agreed, too much stuff becomes too much work. >> The new message goes to the OSM Inbox? > Yes, and there's currently no alternative. I participated in the welcome of newcomers to France. There we put the welcome message on the changeset, the advantage was to be able to do this with several people and see who had already received the message. but here you can do this yourself, which limits the interest of the message on the changeset. > The larger challenge is that the novelty of OpenStreetMap has worn off For new audiences, I think you have to meet their needs. and one of the main needs that Google Mps and other proprietary solutions meet is address search and guidance: - promote end-user applications (OsmAnd, Qwant, ...) - make all addr available to end-user I was just discussing yesterday with other contributors about creating an osm+addr opendata pbf. it would be practical to be able to make a file for OsmAnd - try to make openstreetmap presentations in regions that don't have existing local groups. - have osm used for example for the map of the municipalities - accompanying (review, talk, ...) the newcomers increases the chances that they will continue. Regards, Marc _______________________________________________ talk-ch mailing list talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/mailman/listinfo/talk-ch
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Le 30.08.22 à 23:58, Christopher Beddow a écrit :
would it not then be helpful to have this same welcome info copied/pasted/hosted somewhere
something like https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:France/bienvenue ?
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