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Multipolygon usage
by Stéphane Brunner 17 Aug '11

17 Aug '11

Hello, With FischersFritz we have a discutions about where using Multiyolygone. Personally I relay like using multipolygon for many reason, essentially because I many times tine find some area where the polygone have some commons points, an some unwanted space or some overlapping parts, when we use multypolygone is clearer, and we make less mistakes. An other reason ti when we have some overlapping ways (sometimes more than 6) ti becomes relay difficult to select the right way. But the main disadvantage of using multipolygon is that's a bit more difficult to understand. than we can have some thing that that (start of the discussion): http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=184210#p184210 An other point is that if a multypolygon isn't complete his display can be not so good in Josm. Than for me multypolygon should be use if we have two area with a common long border to say something with more than 10 points in a row (rules that from now I didn't respect ;-) ). FischersFritz have you something to add ? What's your opinion ? CU Stéphane -- Envoyé depuis mon lapin -- Catalogue de cartes OpenStreetMap - http://map.stephane-brunner.ch Un peu d'espace qui vous suis partout - https://www.getdropbox.com/referrals/NTk2OTU2Mjk --

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Inkorrekt gerendertes Flussbett
by Danilo 15 Aug '11

15 Aug '11

Hallo zäme Kann mir jemand sagen, warum hier das Flussbett (Multipolygon) nicht korrekt gerendert wird? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-8.4949&lon=-74.3762&zoom=12&layers=M Rechts diese grosse blaue Fläche enthält eigentlich zwei ziemlich grosse Inseln. An der Multipolygon-Definition hab ich keinen Fehler festgestellt. Dachte zuerst, es läge an dem Tag "natural=water", aber auch nachdem ich den Tag entfernt habe, wurde der Fluss nicht korrekt gerendert. Könnte es an der Grösse des Abschnittes liegen? Gruss Danilo

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Mapping wegloser Aufstiege
by Thomas Meller 10 Aug '11

10 Aug '11

Und gleich noch eins. Auf meiner Tour habe ich versucht, die Wege aus der Topokarte nachzuvollziehen und diese als Vorlage fuer meine Route gebraucht. In Realitaet allerdings hat sich gezeigt, dass die Route zwar begangen werden kann, aber selbst der Trampelpfad der Rindviecher irgendwo aufhoert und einer steilen Grashalde Platz macht. Andere 'Wegspuren' zeigen vollkommen in die Irre und fuehren an unpassierbare Steinhalden, auf die sich allenfalls noch Gemsen wagen wuerden. Ich wuerde ja meine Gebirgstour nicht mit einem Autorouting planen, aber den Unterschied zwischen passierbarer 'Weglosigkeit' und unpassierbarer waere einen Vermerk wert. Hat Hier jemand eine Idee dazu? Die 'Wegspuren' in den Topokarten fuehren auch oft auf unmarkierte Wege, die dennoch leicht zu finden sind. Ich nehme an, diese Unterscheidung wird deshalb gemacht, weil eine Wegpflege auf solchen Pfaden nicht erfolgt, bzw. sich dafuer niemand zustaendig fuehlen will. Es geht m.E. also um administrative Gruende statt um gute Orientierung. Ich bin hier im Clinch mit mir selbst. Es gibt schoene Touren, auf denen die Orientierung nicht einfach ist und eine Hilfestellung Sinn macht, ohne dass eine konkrete Markierung zu finden ist. Insbesondere in den Wolken haette ich mir ein paar elektronische Peilpunkte oefter gewuenscht statt umher zu irren. Andererseits sind gut auffindbare, ausgetretene Pfade unmarkiert und auf keiner anderen Karte zu finden. Aber die Erosion kann daraus im naechsten Jahr schon einen Abrutsch machen, den niemand mehr aufarbeitet. Hat hier schon jemand Vorarbeit auf dem Gebiet geleistet? Vielleicht lose Orientierungspunkte ohne einen track, in einer Relation? -- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.172&lon=7.4395&zoom=15&layers=B000FTFT… Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

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Foto-Mapping
by Thomas Meller 10 Aug '11

10 Aug '11

Hallo zusammen, kennt jemand ein Tool, das mir beim Mappen von schwer zugaenglichen Wegen helfen kann? Ich war kuerzlich auf einer Bergtour und habe vom gegenueberliegenden Hang Fotos, mit meinem genauem Standpunkt, Meereshoehe und Brennweite. Im Grunde sollte es moeglich sein,daraus und aus einem Hoehenprofil eine Projektion in ein extrapoliertes Luftbild umzuwandeln und das dann zu tracen. Gibt es das? Waere so etwas wie umgekehrtes Raytracing. -- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.172&lon=7.4395&zoom=15&layers=B000FTFT… Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

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Reminder: 21. Züricher OSM-Stammtisch morgen
by Andreas Schmid 10 Aug '11

10 Aug '11

Hallo zusammen, morgen Donnerstag findet der 21. Züricher OSM-Stammtisch statt. Die beiden bis jetzt angemeldeten User (Skorbut und ich) sind fest entschlossen, da zu erscheinen. Wer kommt sonst noch? Weitere Mapper sind natürlich herzlich willkommen! Z.B. jemand der News von der SOTM hat? Details und unverbindliche Anmeldung wie immer auf http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Z%C3%BCrich/OSM-Treffen Bis bald! Andreas

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A couple of tags questions
by Mohamed Ellozy 09 Aug '11

09 Aug '11

This morning I was mapping in Les Haudères (VS) and I have a couple oftags questions: 1. How to tag "Hotel Garni" ... I simply tagged it tourism:hotel, is there a more suitable tag? 2. I did not map yet (no idea how to tag) Colonie la Forêt, link: http://www.groups.ch/fr/k-0572-0568/colonies_vacances_descriptif.html ... note that "La maison est exclusivement louée à un seul groupe par période de location". I find no kind of "group home" tag. Many thanks. Mohamed (RetiredInNH)

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Re: [talk-ch] Bus Stop/Line Operator (PAG)
by Beni Buess 01 Aug '11

01 Aug '11

Hi > Hi, > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 01:20:43PM +0200, Beni Buess wrote: > > Hi > > > > Most Bus Stations/Lines in Switzerland are operated by PAG (PostAuto > > Schweiz AG). At the 10th of June 2011 User xylome did a mass edit > > (1) on 650 nodes and 79 relations to change PAG => PostAuto Schweiz > > AG in different languages. This was done on a bounding box which > > covers almost whole Switzerland. > > The remaining 10000 nodes with operator=PAG were somehow missed. > > Is there any explanation of this action? > > > > The PAG obviously comes from the Didok Import. With a few > > exceptions, operator contains always an acronym. (2) > > > > What do we consider the right value? It would make sense to have the > > values consistent IMHO. > > xylome is the maintainer of the xybot. I contacted him on the 10th > about the problem with the betreiber tag. He promised to revert the > changes but > he felt that acronyms are not proper for an OSM tag. I explained > that changing the tag to PostAuto AG would break consistency but > apparently he didn't care. Instead, he seems to have decided to also > change also > stops previously untouched by xybot. Excellent. > > Personally, I don't care if there are acronyms or full names in the > operator tag. But I totally agree with you that consistency is > important. If there is a strong agreement with xylome that operator > tags should contain the full name then I can do another mass edit > using the DidokImport user. Otherwise we should revert xylomes > changes. I suggest to revert the changeset. I'm all for consistency, *if* we want full names in the operator tag, we should do this for all (public transport) operators IMHO. This would lead to some discussion on how to name them in detail and then we can prepare a mass edit for *all* stops, not just a few hundered and leaving the operator tag in a inconsistent state. Is anybody against reverting? I'll do it saturday, if nobody is against it. then we would have a consistent state again and can decide carefully about a possible mass edit. Beni

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Kanton Luzern: Ämter einzeichnen oder nicht?
by Thomas Ineichen 01 Aug '11

01 Aug '11

Hallo zusammen, "Der Kanton Luzern ist traditionell in fünf Ämter aufgeteilt. In der neuen Kantonsverfassung werden sie allerdings nicht mehr genannt, es kommen ihnen damit keine verwaltungsmässigen Aufgaben mehr zu. Das neue Gerichtsorganisationsgesetz von 2010 hat vier Gerichtsbezirke geschaffen, die mit den alten Ämtern nur teilweise übereinstimmen." http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezirk_%28Schweiz%29#Kanton_Luzern Sollen die Ämter trotzdem eingezeichnet werden? Wenn ja, mit welchem admin_level? Gruss, Thomas

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Swiss history 2008 - 2011
by Stéphane Brunner 30 Jul '11

30 Jul '11

Hello, Je viens de mettre a disposition le layer 2011 de la série des layers OSM swiss history ;-) I just publish the 2011 layer of the list of OSM swiss history layers ;-) CU Stéphane -- Envoyé depuis mon lapin -- Catalogue de cartes OpenStreetMap - http://map.stephane-brunner.ch Un peu d'espace qui vous suis partout - https://www.getdropbox.com/referrals/NTk2OTU2Mjk --

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Re: [talk-ch] talk-ch Digest, Vol 389, Issue 1 - Boundaries import - City, town and village codes
by Andreas Bürki 27 Jul '11

27 Jul '11

Am 25.07.2011 12:00, schrieb talk-ch-request(a)openstreetmap.ch: > > Am Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:22:42 +0200 > schrieb Beni Buess <beni(a)benel.net>: > > I've added a table to this wiki page [1] to keep track of the work. > Add your name to this table before you create relations for admin_level > 5/6. > > [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/EN:Switzerland/swissBOUNDARIES3D Based on [1], I have added the relations of all of political communities (vulgo Gemeinde) to the wiki page of the canton Berne [2], as well the 3 major lakes [3]. Maybe this is helpful in one or an other way. Let me make some remarks: * Kudos your for this heavy import job. Thanks :-) * The names of some (quite a lot) communities are displayed several [4][5] times (same black font). Once as tag of the community boundary and once as tag of the black sign, looking like a burnt down house, or of what ever . This might confuse OSM map users. ** Proposal: What about displaying the names of the political communities the same way (some kind of violet color) as the boundaries. - This might help to distinguish between the political community and the geographical place [6], aka city (with suburb, if so), town (with suburb, if so), village (no suburb, as suburb is displayed bigger as village, thus is confusing [7]) and hamlet (no suburb). In the countryside a political community is often an area (relation) with a variety of places (mostly hamlet, but sometimes villages as well) * Related to that, are there some kind of Swiss tagging guidelines (some other countries have them)? - Beside of "Recommendations for Switzerland DE:CH:Map Features, FR:CH:Map Features, EN:CH:Map Features [8]. Or the other stuff in the wiki, e.g. Tagging or Map Features. just my 2 cents, hugi [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Bern [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Bern#Grenzen_-_Kanton.2C_… [4] http://osm.org/go/0CZZ2vk [5] http://osm.org/go/0CZZ2vkW- [6] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place [7] http://osm.org/go/0CZcv@b-- [8] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging#Recommended%20Tagging%20Scheme%2… -- Andreas Bürki E-Mail: abuerki(a)anidor.com Zertifikat - SHA1-Fingerprint: 54:99:02:5F:60:CE:7A:27:0E:73:79:24:CA:C7:A0:CC:60:39:05:9F

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Preparation for phase 5 of relicensing
by Simon Poole 27 Jul '11

27 Jul '11

The license working group essentially gave it's OK to start replacing data from mappers that have not agreed to the contributor terms in their meeting yesterday. It seems a bit early to me, considering there are still roughly 80 mappers per day agreeing to the CTs, but in any case we slowly need to come to a community consensus on how we will want to handle this phase. However before we do that, it seems reasonable to me to make a last effort to get in contact with mappers (Switzerland) that haven't responded yet. I've compiled a list of the mappers missing from the top 1076 mappers in Switzerland (this corresponds to 99% of the data) so that we can do this in a systematic fashion The list has a total of 224 names, but I've removed some special cases, so probably around 220 that should be checked. Please have a look through the list and check if you know any of theses personally or at least could get in contact with them. There are some obvious cases (mapping party in Vevey and similar) that should be easily fixable. The list is located on our ODBL status page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/EN:Switzerland/ODBL_Status#Missing_Contr… Simon

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Boundaries import
by Sarah Hoffmann 26 Jul '11

26 Jul '11

Hi, while we are redoing all our boundaries in Switzerland, could we maybe discuss the format of the boundary relations once more? In particular, I'd like to get rid of the subparts in those relations. As far as I know, we are the only country to include this subparts in the boundary relations. So, the first reason would be that we should do as everybody else. The second reason is that the relation, as it is now, is a pain to process. In most other countrys, subrelations are used to group parts of the boundary (see France for example). Not so in Switzerland. Just because of us, special processing is needed (i.e. looking at the role). I don't think the whole hierarchical grouping is needed at all. So, I would be really happy if they are just deleted. But if you really must have it, how about moving the subparts in the nation relation: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/16042 Sarah

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National Boundaries
by Beni Buess 26 Jul '11

26 Jul '11

Hi As we now need to merge the national boundaries with the ones of our friendly neighbours the following questions come up: Which boundary way is to be considered more exact? - Switzerland/Italy It seems our boundaries are better. I suggest to remove the italien ones. The italien boundaries are still tagged with the old country:left country:right scheme instead of multipolygons. Should we leave it that way, just replacing the national boundary way? - Switzerland/Austria - Switzerland/Germany The existing boundaries are very close to the newly imported ones as far as I've seen. Suggestions? - Switzerland/France Has anybody already made contact to our friendly neighbours. Might be nice to do so, before we mess around with their boundaries.

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#osm-ch
by Beni Buess 26 Jul '11

26 Jul '11

Hi maybe we can hang around at #osm-ch on irc.oftc.net to coordinate. beni

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Selecta Automaten - Zahlungsart
by Danilo Bargen 26 Jul '11

26 Jul '11

Hoi zäme Bin am Erfassen von einem Selecta-Automaten. Momentan sehen die Tags so aus: amenity=vending_machine operator=Selecta payment:coins=yes vending=drinks;sweets;condoms Wie wird der Operator-Tag normalerweise gesetzt, nur "Selecta" oder "Selecta Schweiz"? Passt der "vending" Tag so? Und der Automat akzeptiert auch Zahlung per Handy, wie wird das getaggt? Habe noch keinen entsprechenden Wert gefunden. Gruss Danilo

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Postauto-Haltestellen und DIDOK
by Arthur Bonino 26 Jul '11

26 Jul '11

Hoi zämä folgende Infos habe ich bekommen: DIDOK ist der Name des internen 'Haltestellen-Informations-Systems' der SBB. Sie verwalten scheinbar nicht nur selber damit intern, sondern auch für andere. So wie es aussieht, bekommt das BAV dann einfach einen speziellen Export. *********** Ich würde es als sinnvoll ansehen, Schnittstellen zu bauen und sich die Daten liefern zu lassen !!! *********** * Es gibt sehr-sehr viele Ausprägungen von Haltestellen (ich wiederhole mich) Wir können zwar brav immer wieder importieren, haben aber immer noch keine funktionelle Intelligenz * Dafür braucht es vielleicht eben bei Switch einen hoch-verfügbaren 'Primary-Server .... * auch unsere staatlichen und professionellen Kartographen könnten dann auch die schweizerischen Qualitäts-Ansprüche umsetzen (und wir würden kompetenter) Scheenä Sunndig Arthur

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Re: [talk-ch] Kt Bern und veraltete 'Amtsbezirke im Nomitatim
by Beni Buess 25 Jul '11

25 Jul '11

----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----- > Hoi zämä > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezirk_(Schweiz)#Kanton_Bern > > Openstreetmap.org (Noiminatim): > Jede Ortsschafts-Abfrage im Kt Bern gibt immer noch die veraltete > Zugehörigkeit zu den Amtsbezirken. > Wer / wie kann man das 'aktualisieren? Hoi Arthur Ich weiss nicht genau, woher Nominatim diese Infos nimmt. Das kann vielleicht sonst jemand erläutern. Was ich aber gefunden habe ist folgendes: * Viele place nodes haben ein is_in tag. Da sind noch die Amtsbezirke drin. Du findest die z.b. mit http://taginfo.openstreetmap.ch/keys/is_in#values. Oder auch direkt mit der XAPI http://xapi.openstreetmap.ch:8080/xapi/api/0.6/*%5Bis_in=Amtsbezirk%20Bern,…] Mit JOSM remote control plugin könntest du diese in JOSM laden und entsprechend editieren. Ein automatisches update von OpenGeoDB wird wohl nicht mehr stattfinden habe ich mir mal sagen lassen. * es gibt noch place nodes mit den Amtsbezirken z.b http://osm.xiala.net:8080/xapi/api/0.6/*%5Bname=Amtsbezirk%20Bern%5D diese könntest du löschen. Gruss Beni

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Kt Bern und veraltete 'Amtsbezirke im Nomitatim
by Arthur Bonino 25 Jul '11

25 Jul '11

Hoi zämä http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezirk_(Schweiz)#Kanton_Bern Openstreetmap.org (Noiminatim): Jede Ortsschafts-Abfrage im Kt Bern gibt immer noch die veraltete Zugehörigkeit zu den Amtsbezirken. Wer / wie kann man das 'aktualisieren? Gruss Arthur

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Re: [talk-ch] Où sont passé les villes
by Beni Buess 22 Jul '11

22 Jul '11

Hi ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----- > Bonjour, > > Pourquoi : select name, place, population, ST_XMin(way), ST_YMin(way) > from planet_osm_point where place='city' order by name; > > retourne: "name";"place";"population";"st_xmin";"st_ymin" > "Basel";"city";"166558";845693.191827259;6031158.4109349 > "Bern";"city";"128634";829474.955028303;5933599.80201283 > "Genève";"city";"177964";684235.112972494;5812740.38429504 > "Lausanne";"city";"124914";738349.064780494;5864370.3457703 > "Winterthur";"city";"101294";971686.405997248;6023907.41232361 > "Zürich";"city";"363273";950717.810304433;6002441.08116346 > > Où sont passé les autres villes??? These are the cities with more than 100k inhabitants. Others are tagged with place=town, place=suburb, place=village ... (1) Beni (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Place

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Où sont passé les villes
by Frédéric Benninger 22 Jul '11

22 Jul '11

Bonjour, Pourquoi : select name, place, population, ST_XMin(way), ST_YMin(way) from planet_osm_point where place='city' order by name; retourne: "name";"place";"population";"st_xmin";"st_ymin" "Basel";"city";"166558";845693.191827259;6031158.4109349 "Bern";"city";"128634";829474.955028303;5933599.80201283 "Genève";"city";"177964";684235.112972494;5812740.38429504 "Lausanne";"city";"124914";738349.064780494;5864370.3457703 "Winterthur";"city";"101294";971686.405997248;6023907.41232361 "Zürich";"city";"363273";950717.810304433;6002441.08116346 Où sont passé les autres villes??? Salutations benni_75

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Tag for Coop City?
by Mohamed Ellozy 20 Jul '11

20 Jul '11

I just added the big Coop City in Sion, and since I go there to buy food I tagged it supermarket :) Clearly not appropriate for the big Coop/Migros multipurpose stores, how should it be tagged? Thanks! Mohamed

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Fwd: [OSM-talk] Data reconciliation. Removing CT/ODbL declined users.
by Simon Poole 20 Jul '11

20 Jul '11

-- Sent from my GII mobile phone. Richard Weait <richard(a)weait.com> schrieb: Dear All, The License Working Group takes the position that it is now appropriate to begin reconciling the data touched by users who have explicitly declined CT/ODbL. LWG feels that those users who have not responded should have a grace period of another week or two. You can find the list of usernames that have declined here. http://fred.dev.openstreetmap.org/license/ This page is updated every hour. As always, map areas that you know well and in small pieces. At this point don't remove non-compliant data unless you are replacing it; another mapper may be able to replace it from local knowledge or survey. Bulk edits and or automated edits and or bots to reconcile non-compliant data are not welcome without previous, detailed discussion on the dev@ and or imports@ lists. Share your experiences to find the most effective workflows for improving OpenStreetMap data quality. - Check your local mapping area for data that is not completely CT/ODbL compliant. In Potlatch2, choose Options, and check "Show license status". There is also a licensechange plugin for JOSM. - Consider sending personal messages before you edit to those who have not accepted or those who have declined based on your judgement. Some users have declined and indicated on their user pages that they will not reconsider. We do not wish to send unwelcome or duplicate messages. See also http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asking_users_to_accept_the_ODbL - Replace the data of users who have explicitly declined CT/ODbL with your own contributions from survey and other acceptable sources. - While this initial stage is focused on replacing data touched by users who have explicitly declined, you might find data touched by users who have not yet responded. We leave it to your judgement to replace that data now or wait another week or two. Once you begin replacing data, check on a regular basis whether the user in question hasn't changed his/her mind and has accepted CT/ODbL. You can look at http://fred.dev.openstreetmap.org/license/, this is updated every hour. Best regards, Richard Weait, on behalf of the License Working Group. _____________________________________________ talk mailing list talk(a)openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

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Parkplätze - Gratiszeit
by Danilo 19 Jul '11

19 Jul '11

Hallo zäme Gibt es eine Möglichkeit, bei Parkplätzen mit Parkuhr die Gratis-Parkzeit (z.B. 20 Minuten gratis) zu taggen? Gruss Danilo

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Orthophoto Fribourg
by Michel Schinz 18 Jul '11

18 Jul '11

Hi everyone, I just wanted to let you know that the state of Fribourg was nice enough to let us use freely their orthophoto from the canton. They even set up a WMS server for us, at the following location: http://geo.fr.ch/wms/orthophoto_2005_fribourg.php? Further details are on the french Wiki page for Fribourg (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Switzerland:Fribourg). My german being what it is, I'll leave the translation to somebody else... Please make sure that you tag the elements you add based on this orthophoto with the appropriate "source" tag, as explained on the Wiki. I've already started fixing and adding things in the city of Fribourg, but a *lot* of work remains. I hope many people will use the photo to improve the map of the Fribourg canton. Michel.

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Bericht über 2. Mapping Party an der HSR im Tages-Anzeiger von heute!
by Stefan Keller 18 Jul '11

18 Jul '11

Heute ist ein ganzseitiger(!) Bericht im Tages-Anzeiger von heute erschienen über die "2. Mapping Party Rapperswil und 20. OSM-Treffen" vom vergangenen Samstag, 9. Juli 2011, an der HSR Hochschule für Technik: "Was Computer-Freaks nach draussen lockt" von Helene Arnet, Tages-Anzeiger, Mo. 11. Juli 2011, Seite 19 in der Rubrik Zürich "zweiter Bund". Gruss Stefan

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Re: [talk-ch] Postauto-Haltestellen und DIDOK
by Simon Poole 17 Jul '11

17 Jul '11

Arthur hat sich vermutlich auf die recht hohe Fehlerquote in der Liste bezogen. Die Daten die jetzt in OSM sind durch unsere Korrekturen qualitativ deutlich besser als die offiziellen Daten. Das ganze ist übrigens auch in der UK ähnlich, dort gibt es Liste mit ca. 90'000 Haltestellen, die ca 5% Fehlerquote hatte. Simon -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet. Karl Guggisberg <karl.guggisberg(a)guggis.ch> schrieb: Hallo Arthur > DIDOK ist der Name des internen 'Haltestellen-Informations-Systems' der SBB. Das ist richtig, aber auf eine spezielle Schnittstelle würde ich nicht hoffen, die ist zurzeit (mal schauen, zu was die Diskussionen um "Open Data" in der Schweiz führen) unrealistisch. Die Excel-Datei, die das BAV auf der Web-Seite veröffentlicht, *ist* die Schnittstelle. Die KTUs in der Schweiz kommunizieren über den DaX-Standard http://www.voev.ch/dax.html und Referenz- und Stammdaten sind ebenfalls Teil des Austauschs, aber vermutlich nicht im Umfang, den OSM braucht. Sonst hätte OSM allenfalls versuchen können, sich als "Datenabnehmer" wie eine KTU in diese Datenströme einzuklinken. Trotzdem: realistisch ist zurzeit nur die Excel-Liste. Und pragmatisch gesehen auch völlig ausreichend. >* auch unsere staatlichen und professionellen Kartographen könnten dann auch die schweizerischen Qualitäts-Ansprüche umsetzen (und wir würden kompetenter) Die Liste ist das *Resultat* professioneller Arbeit mit schweizerischen Qualitäts-Ansprüchen und setzt den gesetzlichen Auftrag um, ein kanonisches und harmonisiertes Verzeichnis aller Haltestellen des öffentlichen Verkehrs der Schweiz zu pflegen. Dafür, dass ein neuer Eintrag erscheint oder ein Eintrag korrigiert wird, werden Prozesse mit Anträge, Prüfungen, Genehmigungen, Einhalten von Namenskonventionen, etc durchlaufen. Es gibt Verantwortlichkeiten, Zuständigkeiten, Verordnungen, etc. Das ist alles relativ schwergewichtig und im klassischen Sinn "qualitätssichernd". Ich sehe nicht, wie sich das OSM-Projekt mit seinem JeKaMi-Ansatz da beteiligen könnte. Viele Grüsse Karl 2011/7/17 Arthur Bonino <abonino(a)quick-line.ch> Hoi zämä folgende Infos habe ich bekommen: DIDOK ist der Name des internen 'Haltestellen-Informations-Systems' der SBB. Sie verwalten scheinbar nicht nur selber damit intern, sondern auch für andere. So wie es aussieht, bekommt das BAV dann einfach einen speziellen Export. *********** Ich würde es als sinnvoll ansehen, Schnittstellen zu bauen und sich die Daten liefern zu lassen !!! *********** * Es gibt sehr-sehr viele Ausprägungen von Haltestellen (ich wiederhole mich) Wir können zwar brav immer wieder importieren, haben aber immer noch keine funktionelle Intelligenz * Dafür braucht es vielleicht eben bei Switch einen hoch-verfügbaren 'Primary-Server .... * auch unsere staatlichen und professionellen Kartographen könnten dann auch die schweizerischen Qualitäts-Ansprüche umsetzen (und wir würden kompetenter) Scheenä Sunndig Arthur _______________________________________________ talk-ch mailing list talk-ch(a)openstreetmap.ch http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/mailman/listinfo/talk-ch

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Bus Stop/Line Operator (PAG)
by Beni Buess 16 Jul '11

16 Jul '11

Hi Most Bus Stations/Lines in Switzerland are operated by PAG (PostAuto Schweiz AG). At the 10th of June 2011 User xylome did a mass edit (1) on 650 nodes and 79 relations to change PAG => PostAuto Schweiz AG in different languages. This was done on a bounding box which covers almost whole Switzerland. The remaining 10000 nodes with operator=PAG were somehow missed. Is there any explanation of this action? The PAG obviously comes from the Didok Import. With a few exceptions, operator contains always an acronym. (2) What do we consider the right value? It would make sense to have the values consistent IMHO. Beni (1) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8395099 (2) http://taginfo.openstreetmap.ch/keys/operator#values

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Hunde-WCs?
by Danilo 15 Jul '11

15 Jul '11

Hallo zäme War heute draussen und hab einige Fuss/Radwege gemappt. Dabei hab ich ziemlich viele Robidog-Kübel gesehen. Wär für Hundehalter sicher interessant zu wissen, wo sich der nächste Kübel befindet. Werden die Robidog-Stellen (bzw Hunde-WCs allgemein, gibt ja noch andere als nur Robidog) schon irgendwie gemappt? Habe im Wiki und hier auf der Mailingliste nichts dazu gefunden. Vielleicht etwas ala amenity=dog_toilet oder amenity=dog_waste_disposal? Gruss Danilo

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canton codes
by Beni Buess 15 Jul '11

15 Jul '11

hi As there are several cities/towns/villages with the same name in Switzerland canton codes are used to distinguish them. The codes are not used consistently. * Sometimes they are used, sometimes not (mixed within town). * Used with and without parentheses (BE) / BE, (AG) / AG IMHO id would make sense to have some guidelines how to use them. The Village names are used in several tags, maybe we should apply different rules to them? * addr:city * name (of place, public_transport station and others) * uic_name * ...? What do we consider as the "official" Name of a town? Beni

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fehlende Karten
by Arthur Bonino 14 Jul '11

14 Jul '11

hallo zämä im Potlatch 2 fehlen viele hinterlegte Karten-Zonen. Für Einsteiger wäre es sehr praktisch, wenn für die ganze Schweiz eine Hintergrund-Karte vorhanden wäre. Wer-wie-was-wo? ;-) Gruss, Arthur

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Boundaries import
by Beni Buess 14 Jul '11

14 Jul '11

Hi Do we want to use one and the same user for the cleanup/creation of admin_level 4 and 6 as discussed this evening? thomas, could you then share the login credentials somehow (maybe not on this public list). beni

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Bicycle route tagging
by Matthias Julius 11 Jul '11

11 Jul '11

Hi all, The other day I noticed the way cycle routes are tagged in Switzerland. There, the usage of the name tag differs from the general usage of name tags within OSM. IMHO, we should not deviate from established tagging practices without a really good reason. Therefore, I took the liberty to modify http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/EN:Switzerland/CycleNetwork#Recommended_… and to change the name tag to be in line with the way it is used elsewhere in OSM and also http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes#Relations I also noticed that some relations have quite elaborate and long names. To reduce these to be just the names I have added the description and description:xx tags. There, the start and end points and possibly other information for the data user can be noted. I know there are arguments for the tagging the way it is now. The name tag gets displayed in JOSM and it is not rendered on any map anyway. But, we don't want to tag for editors and the map renderings might change and who knows who is rendering maps with and what styles anyway. I propose to change the tagging according to the current version of the wiki page. Unless there are strong objections I will start with that in a week or so. Happy mapping, Matthias

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Re: [talk-ch] Association 'Diskussion
by Arthur Bonino 11 Jul '11

11 Jul '11

Hoi zämä Verbesserungswürdig finde ich: * Aufnahme neuer Mitglieder: 'nur über den Vorstand Varianten: - Neue Mitglieder werden nach dem unterschreiben der Vereinsstatuten automatisch aufgenommen. Der Vorstand oder 10% der Mitglieder können aber bei Einwänden beantragen, dass die Mitglieder-Aufnahme über die Mitglieder-Versammlung beantragt werden muss .... * Ausschluss: 'Grundlos finde ich sehr schwach 'vereins-widriges Verhalten' (Gegen-Interessen) ...? Es gäbe noch die übliche Formulierungen Die Internet-Suche nach "Vereinsstatuten Vorlage" gibt noch weitere Punkte. Gruss, Arthur

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Boundaries import
by Frédéric Benninger 10 Jul '11

10 Jul '11

Bonjour, Suite à l'importation, pour le canton de Neuchatel, je remarque un fort décalage des frontières par rapport au WMS du canton [1] Par exemple, la frontière entre la Suisse et le France (frontière naturel, le Doubs) est environs 140m trop au Nord et 70m trop à l'Est. Je remarque également ce décalage au niveau des communes. Salutations Benni_75 [1] wms:http://sitn.ne.ch/ogc-sitn-open/wms?FORMAT=image/jpeg&LAYERS=communes&SERVICE=WMS&VERSION=1.1.1&REQUEST=GetMap&

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RE : Re: OpenLayers build optimisation
by Frédéric Benninger 09 Jul '11

09 Jul '11

Bonjour, Merci Stéphane pour astuce, je vais réaliser cette optimisation dès que possible. Salutations Frédéric Stéphane Brunner <courriel(a)stephane-brunner.ch> a écrit : >Hello, > >I made a little mistake, >to have a minimal OSM map we need a builf file like it: >[first] > >[last] > >[include] >OpenLayers/Map.js >OpenLayers/Control/ArgParser.js >OpenLayers/Control/Attribution.js >OpenLayers/Control/Navigation.js >OpenLayers/Control/PanZoom.js >OpenLayers/Layer/XYZ.js > >[exclude] > >Than we have a file less than 160ko > >CU >Stéphane > > >On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Stéphane Brunner ><courriel(a)stephane-brunner.ch> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> In the last French meeting I say that I say that I will seek about >> OpenLayers optimization (Download size ans parse time, but not >> execution speed) : >> >> Than to do that the goal is to have one js file with only what we >> need, it mean that we include only OpenLayers files that we need, we >> remove comments and unneeded spaces. >> >> To do that first we need the Openlayers sources: >> Version 2.10: >> svn export http://svn.openlayers.org/branches/openlayers/2.10/ openlayers >> Version 2.11 RC: >> svn checkout http://svn.openlayers.org/branches/openlayers/2.11/ openlayers >> Version trunk: >> svn checkout http://svn.openlayers.org/trunk/openlayers/ openlayers >> >> Go to the build directory: >> cd openlayers/build >> Create own profile: >> cp lite.cfg my.cfg >> edit my.cfg to replace 'OpenLayers/Layer/XYZ.js' by yours needed files >> (one per line), the dependencies will be check. >> >> Than build it: >> python build.py -c jsmin my.cfg OpenLayers-my.js >> >> The result is that to display an OSM layer we have a file size of only >> 121ko in place of about 1Mo for a full version of OpenLayers. >> >> CU and happy development ;-) >> Stéphane Brunner >> >> >> -- >> Envoyé depuis mon lapin >> -- >> Catalogue de cartes OpenStreetMap - http://map.stephane-brunner.ch >> Un peu d'espace qui vous suis partout - >> https://www.getdropbox.com/referrals/NTk2OTU2Mjk >> -- >> > > > >-- >Envoyé depuis mon lapin >-- >Catalogue de cartes OpenStreetMap - http://map.stephane-brunner.ch >Un peu d'espace qui vous suis partout - >https://www.getdropbox.com/referrals/NTk2OTU2Mjk >-- >_______________________________________________ >talk-ch mailing list >talk-ch(a)openstreetmap.ch >http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/mailman/listinfo/talk-ch

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OpenLayers build optimisation
by Stéphane Brunner 09 Jul '11

09 Jul '11

Hello, In the last French meeting I say that I say that I will seek about OpenLayers optimization (Download size ans parse time, but not execution speed) : Than to do that the goal is to have one js file with only what we need, it mean that we include only OpenLayers files that we need, we remove comments and unneeded spaces. To do that first we need the Openlayers sources: Version 2.10: svn export http://svn.openlayers.org/branches/openlayers/2.10/ openlayers Version 2.11 RC: svn checkout http://svn.openlayers.org/branches/openlayers/2.11/ openlayers Version trunk: svn checkout http://svn.openlayers.org/trunk/openlayers/ openlayers Go to the build directory: cd openlayers/build Create own profile: cp lite.cfg my.cfg edit my.cfg to replace 'OpenLayers/Layer/XYZ.js' by yours needed files (one per line), the dependencies will be check. Than build it: python build.py -c jsmin my.cfg OpenLayers-my.js The result is that to display an OSM layer we have a file size of only 121ko in place of about 1Mo for a full version of OpenLayers. CU and happy development ;-) Stéphane Brunner -- Envoyé depuis mon lapin -- Catalogue de cartes OpenStreetMap - http://map.stephane-brunner.ch Un peu d'espace qui vous suis partout - https://www.getdropbox.com/referrals/NTk2OTU2Mjk --

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Re: [talk-ch] Association ....
by Simon Poole 05 Jul '11

05 Jul '11

Sarah The French template is here: http://www.kmu.admin.ch/themen/00614/00656/00690/index.html?lang=fr We will have to decide at one point in time on which language version is the official one. Simon Am 05.07.2011 08:23, schrieb Sarah Hoffmann: > Simon, > > do you have an English translation (or French, if that is what you > can get from the KMU portal)? Resp. should somebody else take care of > that? German isn't really well understood further West. And I think it > is really important that we do that together. > > Otherwise, looks good to me. > > Sarah > > On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 10:52:59PM +0200, Simon Poole wrote: >> >> Am 02.07.2011 20:06, schrieb Andreas Bürki: >>> Am 02.07.2011 18:28, schrieb Simon Poole: >>>> The wikimedia by-laws are definitely too complicated >>> That's your personal opinion. I don't think so. - General note: The more >>> precise articles of association are, the less discussion and >>> misunderstanding occur. >>> >> The wikimedia bylaws introduce a number of concepts not required by law, >> and restate a lot of things that are -already- completely satisfactory >> defined in law. >> >> If I could wager a bet, I would put my money on that the articles were >> either wrote by a lawyer with anglo-saxon background or to satisfy one. >> >>>> (there are far better examples for example /ch/open >>> Disagree as well on that one. IMHO they should mention registered office >>> and business year, just as simple examples. >> They do state the business year and it is completely legal not to state >> a place of business. If it has no undesirable consequences (I can't >> think of any at the current time) it avoids having to have a general >> assembly and change the bylaws every time the kind soul who does the >> administration moves. >> >> Anyway my proposal is here >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Draft_Bylaws_Swiss_OSM_Association_-_Ger… >> >> Simon >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk-ch mailing list >> talk-ch(a)openstreetmap.ch >> http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/mailman/listinfo/talk-ch > _______________________________________________ > talk-ch mailing list > talk-ch(a)openstreetmap.ch > http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/mailman/listinfo/talk-ch

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Re: [talk-ch] Association ....
by Roman Fischer 05 Jul '11

05 Jul '11

The statute looks good to me. -Roman > Quoting Simon Poole <simon(a)poole.ch>: > >> >> >> Am 02.07.2011 20:06, schrieb Andreas Bürki: >>> >>> Am 02.07.2011 18:28, schrieb Simon Poole: >>>> The wikimedia by-laws are definitely too complicated >>> >>> That's your personal opinion. I don't think so. - General note: The more >>> precise articles of association are, the less discussion and >>> misunderstanding occur. >>> >> The wikimedia bylaws introduce a number of concepts not required by >> law, and restate a lot of things that are -already- completely >> satisfactory defined in law. >> >> If I could wager a bet, I would put my money on that the articles >> were either wrote by a lawyer with anglo-saxon background or to >> satisfy one. >> >>>> (there are far better examples for example /ch/open >>> >>> Disagree as well on that one. IMHO they should mention registered office >>> and business year, just as simple examples. >> They do state the business year and it is completely legal not to >> state a place of business. If it has no undesirable consequences (I >> can't think of any at the current time) it avoids having to have a >> general assembly and change the bylaws every time the kind soul who >> does the administration moves. >> >> Anyway my proposal is here >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Draft_Bylaws_Swiss_OSM_Association_-_Ger… >> >> Simon >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk-ch mailing list >> talk-ch(a)openstreetmap.ch >> http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/mailman/listinfo/talk-ch

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Rencontre cartographe amateur
by Frédéric Benninger 05 Jul '11

05 Jul '11

Bonjour, Vus les résultas du doodle: http://doodle.com/ggadr9yagri7qhuc Je propose de retenir la date du 2 juillet. Par contre seulement pour une demi journée étant donné le nombre de participant. Ça serait cool si Stéphane B. Pouvait nous faire une présentation de ses travaux. Salutations Frédéric

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Association & Via Francigena & Question
by inetis - Pierre-André Vullioud 05 Jul '11

05 Jul '11

Hi, Yes, it'll be great to have an "official" voice for OSM in Switzerland. We can use it to contact partners to include data in OSM. Good news, the Via Francigena is completed for the Swiss part have a look at : http://hiking.lonvia.de/fr/relation/124582 more informations : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Via_Romea_Francigena GPX file from Lonvia : http://hiking.lonvia.de/fr/routebrowser/124582/gpx I have a question. I checked the Swiss Via Francigena part with the relation analyzer: http://analyser.openstreetmap.fr/cgi-bin/index.py I had some errors on places and parking. To remove this error, I had to create a way through the place instead of adding the entire place. Exemple : Place de la navigation in Lausanne (I added the grey line) Do you think it's the correct way to do that ? Bonne journée Pierre-André -- ----------------- inetis sàrl Grand-Vigne 7 -- 1302 Vufflens-la-Ville Tél. : +41 21 731 70 88 www.inetis.ch

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2. Mapping Party Rapperswil und 20. OSM-Treffen 9. Juli 2011 (Reminder)
by Stefan Keller 03 Jul '11

03 Jul '11

Liebe Mapper Dies ist ein 'Reminder' für die 2. Mapping Party und das 20. Zürcher OSM-Treffen am Sa. 9. Juli 2011 ab 15 Uhr an der HSR Hochschule für Technik in Rapperswil, http://bit.ly/mmmiAO . Bitte meldet euch hier http://bit.ly/mmmiAO#Angemeldete_User an (oder schickt mir ein Mail). Das gilt v.a. auch für Ostschweizer Mapper. Wäre doch schade, wenn "nur" Zürcher nach St. Gallen kämen oder es zuwenig Getränke hätte. Bis dann, Stefan Am 16. Juni 2011 02:12 schrieb Stefan Keller <sfkeller(a)gmail.com>: > Am Samstag, 9. Juli 2011, findet an der HSR Hochschule Rapperswil die > >>> 2. Mapping Party und das 20. OSM-Treffen der Gruppe Zürich und Umgebung statt. > > Ab 15 Uhr beginnen wird mit dem Editieren der Gemeindegrenzen. Wer > will kann dann auch Mappen gehen. Ab 18 Uhr wird auf dem Fäschtinseli > grilliert - bitte Grilladen selber mitnehmen, für Getränke ist > gesorgt. > > Weitere Infos und Anmeldung unter http://bit.ly/mmmiAO > > Gruss, > Stefan >

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Via Francigena & Question
by inetis - Pierre-André Vullioud 01 Jul '11

01 Jul '11

> As with everything in OSM, the answer is: there is not only one correct > way. > There is the one fraction which says that you should not add ways where > there are none in reality. Then there is the other fraction that insists > that routing only works properly if there is such an invisible way. > In practise, routers should be fine if you add the complete place to > a route as long as you make sure that the outgoing ways are connected > to the outline of the place. It might route you along the boundaries > of the place which is still fine. Putting the place in the relation > is certainly no error. > On the other hand, adding this additional way will also not hurt. So, > just leave it as is. It's fine, too. > Personally, I tend to put places entirely into the relation. In parking > lots, I generally add the ways where the cars can drive as > highway=service and use those for the hiking route. Thanks Sarah for your message. I have done ways throw places/parkings mainly for having a clean GPX file for the walkers. I have contacted the FrancigenaLibrari to ask them if we can use the GPX files of the italian part on OSM. It's the official walk route. http://www.francigenalibrari.beniculturali.it/news1_en.html The idea is to use them to complete the relation but not adding ways. I have no answer yet. Bonne journée Pierre-André -- ----------------- inetis sàrl Grand-Vigne 7 – 1302 Vufflens-la-Ville Tél. : +41 21 731 70 88 www.inetis.ch

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Association ....
by inetis - Pierre-André Vullioud 01 Jul '11

01 Jul '11

Hi Simon, > Why not English? That could be a solution for the start. But after few pages in every national languages will be great. Good start for the status :) Virtual meeting and voting would be a nice way to have more participation. For the web site, I know the developer (a swiss guy) of this tools http://www.joomlapolis.com/cb-solutions/cbsubs It's a full automatic system to manage subscriptions and payment (paypal or postfinance). I can help to put it online. Thanks Pierre-André

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XAPI Switzerland
by Beni Buess 30 Jun '11

30 Jun '11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi I've set up a XAPI for Switzerland [1] using JXAPI[2]. Usage is described at [3]. The database does not get updated automatically at the moment, but i'm working on this. The goal is to apply the minutely diffs. I'd really appreciate if some of you could help me testing this and report any problems you have using the XAPI so they can get sorted out and the XAPI would be in a usable state once I managed the minutely update. [1]http://osm.xiala.net:8080/xapi/api/0.6/ [2]http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/iandees/diary/12916 [3]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Xapi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJN9MsaAAoJEOg6U/nfeJJMsVQP/iPB1IXqnVIeCEyA4zTOzsCP TJ3LZORh9dQ0DPZcTHNwDl4jKbSlEOsJCu2b8XT4YzPwp0ruc+QUXZx20mUlV9dQ aAbgDiIlscoACjTqtUQGIyNyaltkZmYPm9OWl+AdZNAbv8CHdcy6L1DAlMa+icLb 9cV26E8wvPWYZra1gDZ8hY4RiZwIAQJEjZgHvy+Q1XP45zvnnHl7IiSE82q/JnZ7 7S7YR/zRTxZpsRRfzuSyLejYz9WOH7mYAfq+QvAwYWV69YSPamTYcOKlcrIZIn9N LPADM9HIsMYr2PAP3U4VJ4sYT7g2IfXIVrsyduS+SVswsQ7XuCa0nMQIF/j7Gtgp eOp2jLWM09BjzmhfEpHiOQ63ZzWwhFOy4EgEvAcWV145KI8h3xAT4juOxn9VLNWL 0mqepVvtUlBR2WEUdJc1quFD8NUz1pOFQaulJpfxgoIl9b3i7x8cYuehcvFAgd0R g2+UNmEDAIgNFrFnCctQ6X6u+CZux4oxUZU4rLBZ2OyQS6mOGOrsKYYKtmUsDJkk zJF6b4ZFu5NTNL7Wm7a3/m5WGzVYjIdyzpMGuX+ToortpBE+G8ikgJVl+Frv9hf8 GklibtlHqDSE/MNmr3PoiOFofj+cG46Fu3wtOfh+RAvMcPP9r5emYYtY4eWoG8u9 s2qK+dnAiIjVo++ItWvn =N0VM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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current coverage
by Beni Buess 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi I've updated the current_coverage page [1] in the wiki with recent data. What seems intresting to me are the numbers for primary/secondars highways. I've not looked at the two vector datasets, but it seems to me that there is a difference in the classification/tagging. I can't believe that we have just mapped half of all primary roads. Does anybody have an idea on how to examine this further? The railway numbers are probably that high because of the mapping of single railtracks. I still have to come up with a query to calculate the forest/wood area. Any hints? [1]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ch:current_coverage Beni -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOCO/qAAoJEOg6U/nfeJJMaZYP/j5gbLLDnwKh0k2qqnmOzCyI wH7250vQm0qlICGFaaIaekgL/hdKjZG1vxjFDph9rO95DghU0S2eaadLZfpw70qU ZZhkOCFGhLfGXfzGg37ETCXn1i+PsHLnxcyvLZ1xpLkqCOnOVZV/7R0fQ8SL3qKE i/4yfM9PEaYKLAxVG7h1njYeeOXVF0cf3+x6h9+vpIZlGwoM55pA4VfVEXxjmuc7 1G7bY3kX1gN1yhDVbpq2WoPcTjDhj9XhJt2ft7YvUXUNMGJ2/WFGOeSOT0/Ca3L9 u6eFC6wywL3bgsMOKQ2Rl9m0T6xN+9hxnVcpHrxyHmZgi32TQRvgAzL2ZdtGrP0O stzFTmMtT10f/b0hxRZ0ENnEcER3iL+bjmZ5XBvVDJymysWf2It7KClyFyRAnPcY t7qclB7QsMcH9c9JEVMxxyYzmsx7JxNgMTNBJt1foORghfhPgD7rtjRBPs9hn81p jnZ25mYxDz/T2m6fj23WmaPD1N/ed+GKxtC9bKiPadOcCjT85ar9BXFqxkv1J00l T+etJNfZh9rasSMYnMILVPewUga2yTiJmoUwedY1ipGNRNPF0oRmd7MQcoRk97WW AjTmYcf0Ti9yGealApIC7wZ7BsnU9pzk0R3GiXccbHuiRDU2XwWSBR1pyBmY5rFL Lm1lsC6cWV6CW2eXLJNd =OgY/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Website redesign
by Marius Rieder 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

Hi all Please have a look at http://new.openstreetmap.ch/ let me know your two cents. Pour mes chers amis de la Romandie. Comment suis-je traduire "News" pour une list avec de date a Rencontre? Marius -- ~o__O Marius Rieder O__o~ |vV| http://www.durchmesser.ch/ |vV| /] | <marius.rieder(a)durchmesser.ch> | [\ ---/|--|\--------[ Dance first. Think later. ]--------/|--|\---

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Idée frontièr suisses
by Arthur Bonino 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

Hi et bonjour a toutes Quand vous plannez 'une suisse, svp prennez aussi 10 - 20 km de l'étranger. ;-) Parce-que ça n'est pas practicable pour ?Pontalier, ?Lörrach ou ?Domodossola ... (map.search.ch). Salutation, Arthüür > > Hello, > Je suis pleinement pour m?me si il y aura forcement une pr?dominance > suisse allemande il fait que les romands y trouve leurs compte, par > exemple il fait avoir un site multilingue.

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Fwd: Languages on list
by Mohamed Ellozy 26 Jun '11

26 Jun '11

> > Hi Folks > > There are also a few none Swiss people lurking on this list, with > varying degrees of ability in Swiss national Languages. > > We form a minority here, but discussion in English helps us as well. > > Thanks > Andrew > We for a small minority, but I am posting this to confirm that we do exist :), and that language is a problem for some of us. I suppose the solution for us is to use Google Translate, though it is an abomination (why is Karte *always *translated as card, whatever the context???) but it helps. In two weeks I will be coming to your country for my annual hiking holiday, and hope to do some mapping (hiking trails and POIs in alpine villages). Mohamed (RetiredInNH)

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RE : Re: Rencontre Cartographe-Amateur
by Frédéric Benninger 23 Jun '11

23 Jun '11

Follow this link to participate in it: http://doodle.com/ggadr9yagri7qhuc yvecai <yvecai(a)gmail.com> a écrit : >On 07. 06. 11 00:06, Cédric BRINER wrote: >>> Bonjour, >>> >>> Est ce qu'il y a des amateurs pour organiser prochainement une petite >>> rencontre vaudoise ou romande? >> >> Salut, je monte un atelier openstreetmap durant l'événement "fêtons >> linux" qui aura lieu le vendredi 7 oct à Genève. >> >> L'idée pour moi est de pouvoir avoir une action qui puisse intéresser >> un publique large. J'ai dans l'idée d'ajouter des points d'intérêts >> concernant les lieux de vies pour ce qui est de leur accessibilité en >> chaise roulante. >> >> Mais, si des mappers désirent profiter de l'événement pour s'y greffer >> et et monter autre chose. Welcome :) >> >> Ca pourrait être un bon point de départ ? > >Un bon thème pour une rencontre avant, en tout cas. >Seulement, avec l'été qui s'avance à grands pas, c'est peut-être délicat >d'avancer une date et un lieu, qui s'y colle? > >Yves >_______________________________________________ >talk-ch mailing list >talk-ch(a)openstreetmap.ch >http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/mailman/listinfo/talk-ch

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Taginfo Switzerland
by Sarah Hoffmann 23 Jun '11

23 Jun '11

Salut 'zamme, I have set up a Swiss version of the Taginfo service at http://taginfo.openstreetmap.ch This is a localized version of the global Taginfo service that only considers tagging within Switzerland. At the moment, the service is updated twice weekly. More frequent updates are possible on request. For those of you who have not heard of Taginfo before: this is a service that provides an overview of the actual tag usage in OSM. It allows to search for tags and gives statistics over usage. More info here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Taginfo Hope it helps. Sarah

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