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Fwd: Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] Zurich Hackathon: Creating a map namespace
by rupert THURNER 12 Mar '14

12 Mar '14

---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- Von: "Jon Robson" <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> Datum: 11.03.2014 23:40 Betreff: Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] Zurich Hackathon: Creating a map namespace An: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> It's great to see these conflicting ideas! I agree, this is not simple at all - this is why we have no map namespace, but there is definitely a need. I'm hoping Zurich can provide a platform where we can get somewhere close in that direction and generate some momentum. The fact we have a BetaFeatures now on the desktop site means we are free to explore ideas, for those ideas to fail and to buy us time to perfect them. I personally am interested purely from a readers perspective - it makes me sad everytime I see a static map made out of CSS and SVGs that looks like something I could play with and explore. I want maps to be a big part of the Wikipedia experience. I really think a good first step would be to lay the foundations - keep things as simple as possible - a simple way of storing the data and a simple way of viewing the data stored - whether that involves Wikidata or not I'm not sure but let's see what comes out of Zurich. For those not in Zurich, I hope some of you can participate on the IRC channel #wikimedia-dev ? If we come out of Zurich with various different solutions to the same problem that would also be awesome - a good problem to solve in future. :-) On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Derk-Jan Hartman <d.j.hartman+wmf_ml(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 8 mrt. 2014, at 21:48, Russell Nelson <russnelson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Derk-Jan Hartman < d.j.hartman+wmf_ml(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> This is thinking way too simple. Would it be nice to be able to do this ? Sure, but we already have dynamic maps. WikiMiniAtlas, the german OSM map. Those even have area highlights these days. Can they be better ? sure, is that something difficult, is it really needed ? No not really x2. Wikipedians are much more focused on making static maps usually. >> >> Refutation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interurban_and_streetcar_railways_in_Syracuse,… >> That map is utter crap, completely unusable for any kind of mobile usage, even if it were georeferenced. >> >> >> Is it possible / useful to generate thematic renderings of OSM tiles? Sure, and they look really good, for example here: http://www.itoworld.com/map/15 >> >> My feeling is that Wikipedia has desperately needed a map generator, whether static or dynamic, for at least five years now. Yet something always comes between Wikipedia and OSM for some reason. I think it's because people keep saying that that's too easy! We need to do something better, something more complicated, something that's a real challenge. Well, if it's so simple, why doesn't every page with coordinates have a map?? Obviously, it's NOT that simple. > > I see I failed to make my point. Its indeed NOT simple. We keep thinking that it's simple: 'build some technology and people will come' but models like that have proven to fail quite often (especially on en.wp). You need to find the user stories, find the building blocks and see where you get the most return for your money/effort. If you want something to succeed, you need a very concerted effort that leads to integration and acceptance. Not just one thing: Let's build the map. You need a line of careful steps with goals and metrics, reflection and evaluation. One of those steps might be to "build the map", but it's definitely not the only one. > > DJ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Zürcher Stammtisch #50
by Simon Poole 10 Mar '14

10 Mar '14

Errinnerung: Wir sind morgen bei Gbanga um den 50. Stammtisch zu feiern https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Z%C3%BCrich/OSM-Treffen#… Simon

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SOSM-AGM + Mapping Party in Burgdorf, 05/04/14
by Sarah Hoffmann 06 Mar '14

06 Mar '14

[francais en bas] Hallo, am 05. April 2014 wird sich der Schweizer OSM-Verein SOSM in Burgdorf zu seiner Mitgliederversammlung treffen. Im Anschluss daran wird es ein gemeinsames Mittagessen und eine Mapping-Party geben, zu der alle OSMler herzlich eingeladen sind. Treffpunkt ist: Restaurant Schützenhaus, Bahnhofstr. 90, Burgdorf[1] Samstag, 05. April 2014, 12 Uhr (GV ab 11 Uhr für SOSM-Mitglieder) Um die Plätze im Restaurant planen zu können, bitten wir Nicht-Mitglieder, die zum Mittagessen kommen wollen, sich möglichst bald mit kurzer Mail an info(a)sosm.ch anzumelden. Natürlich gibt es auch die Möglichkeit noch Mitglied beim SOSM zu werden. Mehr Infos dazu auf unserer Website: http://sosm.ch Bis dahin Sarah Hoffmann (im Namen des SOSM-Vorstands) [1] http://www.osm.org/node/408461367 -------------------------------------------- Salut, l'assemblée générale de l'association Suisse de OSM, SOSM, aura lieu le 5 avril 2014 a Burgdorf. Suite à la partie officiel, nous avons prevu un repas et un mapping party qui sera ouvert a tout le monde. On va se rencontrer à Restaurant Schützenhaus, Bahnhofstr. 90, Burgdorf[1] samedi, 05 avril 2014, midi (AG à 11 heures, pour membres de SOSM) Pour pouvoir reserver assez d'espace au restaurant, nous prions ceux qui veulaient dejeuner au resto, de s'inscrir des que possible. Petit mail à info(a)sosm.ch suffit. Bien sûr, qu'il est aussi encore possible de devenir membre de SOSM. Plus d'informations se trouvent sur notre site web: http://sosm.ch A bientôt Sarah Hoffmann (au nom du comité SOSM) [1] http://www.osm.org/node/408461367

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06 Mar '14

Dear all Maybe interesting as well for any kind of open/free (personally I like the free *something* expression :-) ) projects. - Sure, not a top prio, but midterm anyway and a good occasion to review its TOS. http://tosdr.org BTW, initiated originally by CCC and supported/funded by FSFE cheeers, h. -- Andreas Bürki abuerki(a)anidor.com S/MIME certificate - SHA1 fingerprint: ED:A5:F3:60:70:8B:4C:16:44:18:96:AE:67:B9:CA:77:AE:DA:83:11 GnuPG - GPG fingerprint: 5DA7 5F48 25BD D2D7 E488 05DF 5A99 A321 7E42 0227

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Wie Käserei taggen?
by Stefan Keller 06 Mar '14

06 Mar '14

Hat jemand einen Vorschlag, wie Käsereien taggen? LG, Stefan

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Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Zurich Hackathon: Creating a map namespace
by rupert THURNER 05 Mar '14

05 Mar '14

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:54 PM Subject: [WikimediaMobile] Zurich Hackathon: Creating a map namespace To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, mobile-l < mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> This may be extremely ambitious, but I'm keen to kick off development around the creation of a map namespace during the Zurich hackathon. The goal would be to setup an editable map namespace that could be used for a variety of things, one of which would be adding a map view to the Special:Nearby page provided via the mobile site. The goal is a proof of concept not necessarily anything production ready (but that would be great if we could get to that point!) Please let me know if you would also be interested on hacking such a thing - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014/Geo_Namespace - or if doing so would be a terrible idea (but if you have to go down that route please provide constructive reasoning on what would be a less terrible idea) Excited to hack on cool things in Zurich! _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

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Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Building a Wikimedia Maps & Geo team
by rupert THURNER 05 Mar '14

05 Mar '14

fyi. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tomasz Finc <tfinc(a)wikimedia.org> Date: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:17 AM Subject: [WikimediaMobile] Building a Wikimedia Maps & Geo team To: mobile-l <mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Maps and Geo community members. I've put together a proposal to build a new team at the WMF that I'd love your feedback on. Take a pass on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Maps_%26_Geo_Team and let me know what you think on the discussion page. I'd especially like your help on the possible projects we could focus on with a key eye on contributions. --tomasz _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l

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Mobility-Standorte???
by nounours77 03 Mar '14

03 Mar '14

Hallo zusammen, Bei mir im Quartier wurde vor einigen Monaten ein neuer Mobility-Standort eingerichtet. Nun habe ich festgestellt, dass der immer noch nicht in OSM drin ist. Ich habe ihn nicht eingezeichnet, weil ich der Meinung war, das Mobility ihre Standorte selber pflegt. Weiss jemand etwas davon? Grundsätzlich wäre es doch sehr begrüssenswert, wenn die jeweiligen Provider (Mobility für Mobility-Standorte, Post für Briefeinwürfe, Swisscom für Telefonzellen, Wasserversorger (z.B. ewb in Bern) für Hydranten ...) die über die Original-Daten verfügen, diese auch auf OSM spielen würden, das gäbe doch die aktuellsten Daten, am wenigsten Fehler und am wenigsten Aufwand für alle? => Soll ich mal mobility kontaktieren, und sie motivieren, doch bitte ihre Standorte wieder in OSM zu pflegen? Herzlicher Gruss, Gilles

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New Bing Imagery (the missing pieces at last ...)
by Simon Poole 25 Feb '14

25 Feb '14

It seem as if the last two larger patches missing in Switzerland have now been filled. At last we can fully map the Ballenberg :-). Simon

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Overlapping highways from a new mapper
by Thorsten Kurz 24 Feb '14

24 Feb '14

Hello, We do have a new mapper who is very enthusiastic about adding missing names to highways. Unfortunately he or she does this by drawing new highways on top the the existing ones, which leads to lots of overlapping and badly connected highways like here around Grandvaux: http://keepright.at/report_map.php?zoom=15&lat=46.50282&lon=6.72371&layers=… Saturday I contacted Correia_TL about the problem and I've started to clean up things around Lausanne. So far I have no answer, but he started editing again. In the last days Correia_TL created plenty of overlapping highways in Moudon (so far visible only in the JOSM validator). I appreciate Correia_TL's enthusiasm and believe that he is acting with the best intentions. But what can we do to make sure that he is learning to use the ID editor properly and what would be the most efficient way to clean up all the errors that he has created so far? Thorsten (Shernott)

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