talk-ch August 2022

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MOPUBE als OSM-Vektoren
by Olivier Chatelain 30 Jan '24

30 Jan '24

Hallo zusammen, Ausgangslage (mein Verständnis): Wir dürfen im Kt. Bern die Vektordaten der Gebäudeumrisse der Amtlichen Vermessung vollständig nutzen: - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canton_Berne_Building_Polygons Frage: Wäre es nicht sinnvoll, diese als kopierbare Vektoren mit integrierten Adressdaten zu Verfügung zu stellen? So könnte man fehlende Häuser in die Karte kopieren und müsste sie nicht mehr abzeichnen. Grüsse, Oli

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Re: [talk-ch] vandalism under the pretense of "simplifying"
by Michael Flamm 30 Sep '23

30 Sep '23

Hello RB/Pan, To be honest, debating with you Is a bit frustrating because you seem to obviously ignore the strong points made by Sarah & Marc, and furthermore you don’t answer the precise questions that were directed to you. As I see it, Sarah and Marc have demonstrated that your over-use of nodes is simply wrong from a conceptual point of view. Thus, we are not anymore in the realm of “tastes and colors”, as you seem to understand it. Frankly, I hope you will acknowledge that because, if not, this thread will not come to a constructive conclusion. My “Swiss Compromise”-Proposal to get there would be: 1) The community acknowledges your effort in detailing landuse=forest mapping on a quite impressive area. 2) On your side, you acknowledge that you created landuse cover objects with an excessive number of nodes and you adapt your future mapping activity in accordance. 3) The community does not start a massive effort to simplify the objects you created, because there are lots of other things where mapping energy can be directed at, bringing much more added value to the map. 4) On the appropriate pages in the Wiki, we insert the points made by Sarah and Marc and lay down that it is not appropriate to map forest limits with more than one node every 10 m (or so). This in order to prevent that mappers in a “gamification-mood” come to the idea to artificially create an excessive number of nodes with the main purpose of improving their ranking in the contributor’s statistics (@Pan: Maybe you did notice that you are currently ranked #1 in Switzerland’s OSMstats?). What do you think about these proposals? Michael

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Project of the Month (PotM) CH: Schulen / Schools / Écoles! (Juni 2021)
by Stefan Keller 28 Sep '23

28 Sep '23

Liebe OSM-Interessierte, liebe Mapper:innen Cher personnes intéressées à l'OSM, cher mappeurs En français ci-dessous Einige Leute vom Schweizer OSM Chapter, SwissOSM, planen schon seit einiger Zeit eigene Aktionen unter dem Namen "Projekt des Monats Schweiz" (PotM CH). Dabei liessen wir uns vom franzöischen Project-du-Mois und vom deutschen "Schwerpunkt der Woche" inspirieren. Dies ist nun das erste "PotM CH Mail" dazu. Im allerersten Beim "Projekt des Monats Schweiz" vom Juni 2021 geht es darum, Schulen zu erfassen! Schulen waren auch das Thema am Mapathon anlässlich des vergangenen OSM-Sonntag vom 6. Juni, der anlässlich der FOSSGIS-Konferenz 2021 stattfand. Bei solchen PotM geht es darum, gemeinsam an einem bestimmten OpenStreetMap-Thema einen Monat lang gezielt zu arbeiten. Das dient der gezielten Verbesserung der Daten. Und Mapper:innen können auf ein Thema aufmerksam gemacht werden. Es gibt zurzeit zwei wichtige Webseiten zu PotM CH: * Erstens die dreisprachige Webseite (noch im Aufbau), kurz "OSM-Wiki" genannt. https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/PotM_CH * Zweitens die Superset Webapp, kurz "Dashboard" genannt: https://potm.osm.ch/superset/dashboard/12/ Erwartet zunächst noch nicht zuviel von einer PotM, denn Mapper:innen sind nicht immer gut zu erreichen - mal sehen! Im Dashboard oben sieht man u.a. schön den "Peak" als am Schulen am OSM-Sonntag erfasst wurden. Haben Sie selber eine Idee für ein PotM CH? Dann lesen auf dem OSM-Wiki weiter. Freundliche Grüsse, Stefan --- Certaines personnes du chapitre suisse de l'OSM, SwissOSM, planifient depuis un certain temps leurs propres actions sous le nom de "Projet du mois Suisse" (PotM CH). Nous nous sommes inspirés du Projet-du-Mois français et du "Schwerpunkt der Woche" allemand. Il s'agit du premier "PotM CH Mail". Le tout premier "Projet du mois Suisse" de juin 2021 concerne la cartographie des écoles ! Les écoles ont également été le sujet du Mapathon à l'occasion du dernier Dimanche OSM du 6 juin, qui a eu lieu à l'occasion de la conférence FOSSGIS 2021. Les PotMs comme celui-ci consistent à travailler ensemble sur un sujet spécifique d'OpenStreetMap de manière ciblée pendant un mois. Cela permet d'améliorer les données de manière ciblée. Et les mappeurs peuvent être mis au courant d'un sujet. Il existe actuellement deux sites web importants pour le PotM CH: * Tout d'abord, le site web trilingue (encore en construction), appelé "OSM Wiki" pour faire court. https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/PotM_CH * Deuxièmement, la webapp de Superset, appelée "Dashboard" pour faire court: https://potm.osm.ch/superset/dashboard/12/ N'attendez pas encore trop d'un PotM, car les mappeurs ne sont pas toujours faciles à joindre - voyons voir! Dans le tableau de bord ci-dessus, vous pouvez voir joliment, entre autres, le nombre d'oscillations qui ont été enregistrées dans les écoles le Dimanche OSM. Avez-vous une idée pour un PotM CH? Continuez ensuite votre lecture sur le Wiki OSM. Cordialement, Stefan

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Project of the Month Switzerland (PotM CH) August 2022 - Sitzbänke | Benches | Bancs
by Stefan Keller 09 Sep '22

09 Sep '22

Liebe Mapper Vorab: Morgen Donnerstag ab 18:30 Uhr findet wieder das monatliche OSM-Treffen statt in-person in Zürich sowie virtuell: Ask-us-Anything! https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Z%C3%BCrich/OSM-Treffen#… Fast hätte ich es im Sommerferien-Schlaf vergessen: Beim Projekt des Monats Schweiz (PotM CH) August 2022 geht es schlicht um die Erfassung von Sitzbänken in OpenStreetMap (OSM). Als Änderung zählt das Hinzufügen oder Ändern von amenity=bench. Weitere Informationen zu diesem PotM gibt es im Wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Project_of_the_month_Switzerland Hier das Dashboard: https://potm.osm.ch/superset/dashboard/23/ -- en: Dear Mappers, I almost forgot during my summer vacation nap: The project of the month Switzerland (PotM CH) August 2022 is simply about the registration of benches in OpenStreetMap (OSM). Adding or changing amenity=bench counts as a change. More information about this PotM can be found in the wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Project_of_the_month_Switzerland Here is the dashboard: https://potm.osm.ch/superset/dashboard/23/ -- fr: Chers mappeurs, chères mappeuses, J'ai failli l'oublier pendant la sieste des vacances d'été: Le Projet du mois en Suisse (PotM CH) d'août 2022 porte simplement sur la saisie de bancs dans OpenStreetMap (OSM). L'ajout ou la modification d'amenity=bench compte comme une modification. De plus amples informations sur ce PotM sont disponibles sur le wiki: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Project_of_the_month_Switzerland Voici le tableau de bord : https://potm.osm.ch/superset/dashboard/23/

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Re: [talk-ch] New Membership Outreach
by Paul Brunner 01 Sep '22

01 Sep '22

Would the Welcome Tool <https://welcome.osm.be> (wiki page here <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welcome_tool>) be helpful in welcoming and orienting new members? Simon, I thought I remembered you saying it was quite a bit of work sending the emails out the current way. (Resending with different subject line.)

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New Membership Outreach
by Christopher Beddow 31 Aug '22

31 Aug '22

After the FOSS4G conference in Firenze, I realize I met many people who are in Zürich and maybe some other parts of Switzerland but not part of the SOSM community. What is the best way to point people to a welcome resource or give some kind of invite to join discussions? Should we consider any additional channels? Previously I proposed making a Facebook page (not group) which serves as a good way for me to use some advertising credit to promote the page to demographics in Switzerland as an advertisement. But ideally that's not the central place just a pointer toward mailing list and other places. Is there any newsletter that may be more consolidated than the mailing list (could link to top mailing list topics). I am still new but definitely interested to have a good link to send to people to get more involved if they are totally unfamiliar with mailing lists and need a point of entry.

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Re: [talk-ch] talk-ch Digest, Vol 2245, Issue 1
by Paul Brunner 30 Aug '22

30 Aug '22

Would the Welcome Tool <https://welcome.osm.be/> (wiki page here <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Welcome_tool>) be helpful in welcoming and orienting new members? Simon, I thought I remembered you saying it was quite a bit of work sending the emails out the current way. On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 11:28, <talk-ch-request(a)openstreetmap.ch> wrote: > Send talk-ch mailing list submissions to > talk-ch(a)openstreetmap.ch > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/mailman/listinfo/talk-ch > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > talk-ch-request(a)openstreetmap.ch > > You can reach the person managing the list at > talk-ch-owner(a)openstreetmap.ch > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of talk-ch digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. New Membership Outreach (Christopher Beddow) > 2. Re: New Membership Outreach (Peter Elderson) > 3. Re: New Membership Outreach (Simon Poole) > 4. Re: New Membership Outreach (Christopher Beddow) > 5. Re: New Membership Outreach (Simon Poole) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 19:02:24 +0200 > From: Christopher Beddow <christopher.beddow(a)gmail.com> > To: "Openstreetmap Schweiz/Suisse/Svizzera/Svizra" > <talk-ch(a)openstreetmap.ch> > Subject: [talk-ch] New Membership Outreach > Message-ID: > < > CADzfi1Wc3FL55Omd2sh2cB8FbNWVC4X_4DrZwm1D5qfUho9OQA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > After the FOSS4G conference in Firenze, I realize I met many people who are > in Zürich and maybe some other parts of Switzerland but not part of the > SOSM community. > > What is the best way to point people to a welcome resource or give some > kind of invite to join discussions? > > Should we consider any additional channels? > > Previously I proposed making a Facebook page (not group) which serves as a > good way for me to use some advertising credit to promote the page to > demographics in Switzerland as an advertisement. But ideally that's not the > central place just a pointer toward mailing list and other places. > > Is there any newsletter that may be more consolidated than the mailing list > (could link to top mailing list topics). > > I am still new but definitely interested to have a good link to send to > people to get more involved if they are totally unfamiliar with mailing > lists and need a point of entry. >

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SwissTopo relief on Opensnowmap
by yvecai 27 Aug '22

27 Aug '22

J'ai rajouté un layer juste pour nous sur Opensnowmap : https://blog.opensnowmap.org/high-resolution-relief-for-switzerland/ J'espère que aimerez ! Yves

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editor conflict
by Oreg2 25 Aug '22

25 Aug '22

Hi all, I could use your advice how to resolve a conflict with another editor. Three weeks ago I recorded a few GPS traces of hiking paths in the Bergell / Bregaglia valley and used them to create relations for the Via Panoramica (relation 14414965) and the Via Bregaglia (relation 14425116) with a variant via Bondo (relation 14425264), all according to the physical signposts on the ground. When I looked again a couple of weeks later I found that my Via Panoramica had been deleted and my Via Bregaglia changed in a massive changeset (124772603) touching 157 ways, 27 relations and 236 nodes, with no source or explanation. There are two new "Sentiero Panoramico" / "Via Panoramica" relations (14449302 and 14449306), neither of which conforms to my survey trace nor the official Switzerland Mobility map. I'm not sure what has changed in the Via Bregaglia relations. A number of tags have been dropped from all of the above relations, others replaced by, in my view, incorrect ones. (I had actually added another Via Bregaglia relation according to the tourist office website. From this, all but one member were dropped. But that website has multiple contradictory maps and descriptions, so I don't trust it and don't mind too much that this relation was practically deleted.) So I started a discussion of the changeset with its editor: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/124772603 I tried not to ask everything at once, so didn't even get to the missing tags, yet. But you can see how the discussion has been going. After two responses the other editor seems to have fallen silent. I'd give him a few more days, though. I do not see any indication how his changes were improvements over my work. What I would like to get to is have my Via Panoramica relation and the dropped tags restored. Ideally, I could convince the other editor to do this but I'm not too optimistic. What do you think? How should I proceed? (Feel free to respond in German if you prefer.) Thanks for any advice, Oreg2

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OSM-Stammtisch Zürich: 11. August
by Patrick Stählin 11 Aug '22

11 Aug '22

Salut! Der nächste OSM-Stammtisch in Zürich findet am nächste Woche am Donnerstag statt. Wir treffen uns in der Bitwäscherei[1], ein Hackerspace in der alten Zürcher Zentralwäscherei. Der Hackerspace ist ein paar Fuss-Minuten vom Bahnhof Hardbrücke entfernt (~300m laut OSRM). Datum: Montag, 11. Juli 2022 Zeit: ab 18:30 Uhr Ort: Bitwäscherei[1], Neue Hard 12, Zürich Weitere Infos und unverbindliche Anmeldung [2]. [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7658441951 [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Z%C3%BCrich/OSM-Treffen#… Gruss Packi

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