After last year's incident with Stéphane Brunner (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Shernott/diary/14754), he seems to be back to "correct" and "improve" my contributions: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12404180
Well, last year I announced that I would withdraw entirely from mapping in the larger Lausanne area, but since I live there and a lot of mapping, that none else seems to be doing, remains to be done, I slowly started mapping again.
In the upper part of Epalinges were a lot of unnamed, misplaced, and also missing streets. Since the situation has remained unchanged for quite a while, I started to do something about that. In this area, the streets often don't form a simple meshed network, but more something like a tree, where it's sometimes hard to tell if a residential street has split in several branches or if it's just a collection of long driveways with lots of houses connected to each of them. I have chosen to tag what I could identify as the "main arteries" as residential streets, and the rest as driveways. Some of these driveways are rather long, and on a high zoom level (or a small GPS screen) it's possible that all you can see is the driveway. To complicate matters further, sometimes neighbouring houses are served by different driveways coming from different residential streets. Given that in the OSM Wiki the name tag is considered a useful combination for a service highway (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservice), I tagged those driveways with the corresponding street names, leaving the decision whether to render the name of the driveway or not to the rendering system.
... and along comes Mr. Brunner, who seemingly could live very well with all the unnamed, misplaced, and missing streets before, and decides without further question or discussion that my use of names on driveways is supposedly "abusive": http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12404180
As I said earlier, apart from Stéphane Brunner I don't see a lot of mapping activity in the larger Lausanne area, and I'm seriously starting to wonder if that might have something to with his behaviour.
Now I would like to revert Stéphane Brunner's change set and get my work back.
Any opinions?
Thorsten (Shernott)
Hello,
Comme tu le dit très bien cela arrive de nouveaux, tu map pour le rendu et tu ne veux pas l'admettre !
CU Stéphane
2012/7/21 tnk@gmx.net:
After last year's incident with Stéphane Brunner (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Shernott/diary/14754), he seems to be back to "correct" and "improve" my contributions: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12404180
Well, last year I announced that I would withdraw entirely from mapping in the larger Lausanne area, but since I live there and a lot of mapping, that none else seems to be doing, remains to be done, I slowly started mapping again.
In the upper part of Epalinges were a lot of unnamed, misplaced, and also missing streets. Since the situation has remained unchanged for quite a while, I started to do something about that. In this area, the streets often don't form a simple meshed network, but more something like a tree, where it's sometimes hard to tell if a residential street has split in several branches or if it's just a collection of long driveways with lots of houses connected to each of them. I have chosen to tag what I could identify as the "main arteries" as residential streets, and the rest as driveways. Some of these driveways are rather long, and on a high zoom level (or a small GPS screen) it's possible that all you can see is the driveway. To complicate matters further, sometimes neighbouring houses are served by different driveways coming from different residential streets. Given that in the OSM Wiki the name tag is considered a useful combination for a service highway (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservice), I tagged those driveways with the corresponding street names, leaving the decision whether to render the name of the driveway or not to the rendering system.
... and along comes Mr. Brunner, who seemingly could live very well with all the unnamed, misplaced, and missing streets before, and decides without further question or discussion that my use of names on driveways is supposedly "abusive": http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12404180
As I said earlier, apart from Stéphane Brunner I don't see a lot of mapping activity in the larger Lausanne area, and I'm seriously starting to wonder if that might have something to with his behaviour.
Now I would like to revert Stéphane Brunner's change set and get my work back.
Any opinions?
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Stephane,
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 01:51:11PM +0200, Stéphane Brunner wrote:
Hello,
Comme tu le dit très bien cela arrive de nouveaux, tu map pour le rendu et tu ne veux pas l'admettre !
This simply is not a good way to resolve a tagging disagreement.
If you find something tagged in a way that you think violates the tagging rules, the first step is *always* to contact the mapper, explain the situation and give him/her the chance to either explain their tagging schema and/or change the tagging themselves. If you cannot come to an agreement, you should consult the community, for example via talk-ch, see what the wider consensus on your issue is.
Walking over other people's careful work with mass edits is an extremely impolite thing to do. And it is very demotivating.
We are a community project where a lot of people with a lot of different opinions work together. This can only work out if everybody gives in a little bit from time to time. If you cannot agree with Shernott then map somewhere else. There is enough Switzerland left to fill.
As to the matter at hand: I see arguments for both ways of tagging. Adding the name is certainly *not* tagging for the renderer. It would have been, if Shernott had used highway=service just so that the smaller roads appear smaller on the map. But that does not seem to be the issue. Whether or not driveways carry the name of the street they are attached to, is still debated.
Cheers
Sarah
CU Stéphane
2012/7/21 tnk@gmx.net:
After last year's incident with Stéphane Brunner (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Shernott/diary/14754), he seems to be back to "correct" and "improve" my contributions: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12404180
Well, last year I announced that I would withdraw entirely from mapping in the larger Lausanne area, but since I live there and a lot of mapping, that none else seems to be doing, remains to be done, I slowly started mapping again.
In the upper part of Epalinges were a lot of unnamed, misplaced, and also missing streets. Since the situation has remained unchanged for quite a while, I started to do something about that. In this area, the streets often don't form a simple meshed network, but more something like a tree, where it's sometimes hard to tell if a residential street has split in several branches or if it's just a collection of long driveways with lots of houses connected to each of them. I have chosen to tag what I could identify as the "main arteries" as residential streets, and the rest as driveways. Some of these driveways are rather long, and on a high zoom level (or a small GPS screen) it's possible that all you can see is the driveway. To complicate matters further, sometimes neighbouring houses are served by different driveways coming from different residential streets. Given that in the OSM Wiki the name tag is considered a useful combination for a service highway (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dser
vice), I tagged those driveways with the corresponding street names, leaving the decision whether to render the name of the driveway or not to the rendering system.
... and along comes Mr. Brunner, who seemingly could live very well with all the unnamed, misplaced, and missing streets before, and decides without further question or discussion that my use of names on driveways is supposedly "abusive": http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12404180
As I said earlier, apart from Stéphane Brunner I don't see a lot of mapping activity in the larger Lausanne area, and I'm seriously starting to wonder if that might have something to with his behaviour.
Now I would like to revert Stéphane Brunner's change set and get my work back.
Any opinions?
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