Yes, a new year is approaching with alarming speed, as every year since we imported the municipal administrative boundaries we will update them on the 1.1. or soon after. I've prepared (again as always) a list to facilitate splitting the work up: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Switzerland/2019_Municipality_Mergers
Notes:
* the list was based on information from the BfS from September 20th, it has been known (in 2017 for example) for a last minute update to turn up * what exactly is happening in Kallnach seems to be unclear, does anybody local know? Otherwise I suspect that there will be a last minute update, see above :-) * the number of changes is very low this year, please do not commit any changes before the 1st of January, the work can easily be done in an hour.
Simon
Am 17.12.2018 um 14:40 schrieb Simon Poole:
Yes, a new year is approaching with alarming speed, as every year since we imported the municipal administrative boundaries we will update them on the 1.1. or soon after. I've prepared (again as always) a list to facilitate splitting the work up: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Switzerland/2019_Municipality_Mergers
Notes:
- the list was based on information from the BfS from September 20th, it has been known (in 2017 for example) for a last minute update to turn up
- what exactly is happening in Kallnach seems to be unclear, does anybody local know? Otherwise I suspect that there will be a last minute update, see above :-)
My reading from above mentioned PDF (link below) is, that there is no municipal merger Kallnach with Golaten by 1.1.2019. The merger is "In Abklärung", what translates somehow like in clarification of how it might work, pro's and con's, etc., what means, that no deal so far.
As well the website of Kallnach (http://www.kallnach.ch/) doesn't say anything about.
In Wikipedia: Im Kanton Bern sind folgende Fusionsvorhaben am Laufen: * https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemeindefusionen_in_der_Schweiz#Bern_3 Amtliches Gemeindeverzeichnis der Schweiz - Angekündigte Änderungen 2018 - Ausgabe vom 20.09.2018 (ersetzt Ausgabe vom 14.06.2018) * https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfsstatic/dam/assets/6166612/master Seite 2: BE 304 Kallnach 664 Golaten -> Kalnach Status: In Abklärung Gültig: ab 1.1.2019
Thus, very likely, there is no action needed by OSM in terms of Kallnach and Golaten.
If there would be an other decision, local media (e.g. BZ or Bund) will communicate it.
cheeers, h.
- the number of changes is very low this year, please do not commit any changes before the 1st of January, the work can easily be done in an hour.
Simon
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Also please PLEASE do not mark any merged municipalities (or borders between merging municipalities) deleted - instead just increase their administrative_level from 8 to 9. Municipalities are forced to merge for administrative and financial reasons and they do not do this to be removed from the map. Thanks.
S'il vous plaît ne supprimez PAS les anciennes communes ou les frontières entre elles, mais augmentez seulement leur tag "admin_level=" de 8 à 9. Merci. N'oubliez pas que les communes qui fusionnes le font par obligation financière et non pas pour rayer les villages de la carte.
Salutations,
Jonathan we've been though this multiple time.
The pre-merge municipalities do -completely- cease to exist as such and do not have any administrative borders of their own after the merger*. Mapping these as admin level 9 is simply wrong (I can live with retaining the borders as historic even though they are meaningless). Nobody in Switzerland maintains any such borders, even swisstopo simply uses the built up settlement areas to indicate the coverage of the places that, naturally, still exist after the mergers. Yes the former municipalities continue to exist as places, and no, they are not removed from the map, they simply don't exist as administrative entities any more.
I know you got the silly idea from the Germans, but their merged municipalities tend to retain some administrative bodies and the borders are still a matter of public record (that it is typical German in being overcomplicated and wasting the gains from the synergies of such mergers should provide, is a different topic and not our problem), that is not the case in Switzerland.
Simon
*yes there are rare occasions when municipalities are merged in to large cities and retain borders as quarters, but that happens once in a blue moon.
Am 18.12.2018 um 22:35 schrieb Jonathan Masur:
Also please PLEASE do not mark any merged municipalities (or borders between merging municipalities) deleted - instead just increase their administrative_level from 8 to 9. Municipalities are forced to merge for administrative and financial reasons and they do not do this to be removed from the map. Thanks.
S'il vous plaît ne supprimez PAS les anciennes communes ou les frontières entre elles, mais augmentez seulement leur tag "admin_level=" de 8 à 9. Merci. N'oubliez pas que les communes qui fusionnes le font par obligation financière et non pas pour rayer les villages de la carte.
Salutations,
Hi,
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:42:26AM +0100, Simon Poole wrote:
Jonathan we've been though this multiple time.
The pre-merge municipalities do -completely- cease to exist as such and do not have any administrative borders of their own after the merger*. Mapping these as admin level 9 is simply wrong (I can live with retaining the borders as historic even though they are meaningless).
admin level 9 is certainly wrong here but how about retagging the old boundaries into place areas, so that the extent of the villages is not lost.
That would make likely Jonathan and surely the geocoders happy.
Sarah
Nobody in Switzerland maintains any such borders, even swisstopo simply uses the built up settlement areas to indicate the coverage of the places that, naturally, still exist after the mergers. Yes the former municipalities continue to exist as places, and no, they are not removed from the map, they simply don't exist as administrative entities any more.
I know you got the silly idea from the Germans, but their merged municipalities tend to retain some administrative bodies and the borders are still a matter of public record (that it is typical German in being overcomplicated and wasting the gains from the synergies of such mergers should provide, is a different topic and not our problem), that is not the case in Switzerland.
Simon
*yes there are rare occasions when municipalities are merged in to large cities and retain borders as quarters, but that happens once in a blue moon.
Am 18.12.2018 um 22:35 schrieb Jonathan Masur:
Also please PLEASE do not mark any merged municipalities (or borders between merging municipalities) deleted - instead just increase their administrative_level from 8 to 9. Municipalities are forced to merge for administrative and financial reasons and they do not do this to be removed from the map. Thanks.
S'il vous plaît ne supprimez PAS les anciennes communes ou les frontières entre elles, mais augmentez seulement leur tag "admin_level=" de 8 à 9. Merci. N'oubliez pas que les communes qui fusionnes le font par obligation financière et non pas pour rayer les villages de la carte.
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Am 19.12.2018 um 09:38 schrieb Sarah Hoffmann:
Hi,
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:42:26AM +0100, Simon Poole wrote:
Jonathan we've been though this multiple time.
The pre-merge municipalities do -completely- cease to exist as such and do not have any administrative borders of their own after the merger*. Mapping these as admin level 9 is simply wrong (I can live with retaining the borders as historic even though they are meaningless).
admin level 9 is certainly wrong here but how about retagging the old boundaries into place areas, so that the extent of the villages is not lost.
That would make likely Jonathan and surely the geocoders happy.
My main issue with doing that is that many municipalities consist of more than one place, and while there was a hierarchical relationship with the original municipality, that has been replaced with one with the new municipality. If the old municipality is also a place with some kind of determinable extent (for example the built up area), I would prefer to use that. It is just really that mapping places as areas is still somewhat in flux that causes some pain there.
Simon
As suspected, there's been a last minute change (on Tuesday) and the merger for Kallnach is "official" now and has an affective date of 1.1.2019.
I've made the change in the list, and will upload the document post-Christmas.
Simon
Am 17.12.2018 um 16:29 schrieb Andreas Bürki:
Am 17.12.2018 um 14:40 schrieb Simon Poole:
Yes, a new year is approaching with alarming speed, as every year since we imported the municipal administrative boundaries we will update them on the 1.1. or soon after. I've prepared (again as always) a list to facilitate splitting the work up: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Switzerland/2019_Municipality_Mergers
Notes:
- the list was based on information from the BfS from September 20th, it has been known (in 2017 for example) for a last minute update to turn up
- what exactly is happening in Kallnach seems to be unclear, does anybody local know? Otherwise I suspect that there will be a last minute update, see above :-)
My reading from above mentioned PDF (link below) is, that there is no municipal merger Kallnach with Golaten by 1.1.2019. The merger is "In Abklärung", what translates somehow like in clarification of how it might work, pro's and con's, etc., what means, that no deal so far.
As well the website of Kallnach (http://www.kallnach.ch/) doesn't say anything about.
In Wikipedia: Im Kanton Bern sind folgende Fusionsvorhaben am Laufen: * https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemeindefusionen_in_der_Schweiz#Bern_3 Amtliches Gemeindeverzeichnis der Schweiz - Angekündigte Änderungen 2018 - Ausgabe vom 20.09.2018 (ersetzt Ausgabe vom 14.06.2018) * https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfsstatic/dam/assets/6166612/master Seite 2: BE 304 Kallnach 664 Golaten -> Kalnach Status: In Abklärung Gültig: ab 1.1.2019
Thus, very likely, there is no action needed by OSM in terms of Kallnach and Golaten.
If there would be an other decision, local media (e.g. BZ or Bund) will communicate it.
cheeers, h.
- the number of changes is very low this year, please do not commit any changes before the 1st of January, the work can easily be done in an hour.
Simon
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Am 21.12.2018 um 08:30 schrieb Simon Poole:
As suspected, there's been a last minute change (on Tuesday) and the merger for Kallnach is "official" now and has an affective date of 1.1.2019.
I've made the change in the list, and will upload the document post-Christmas.
You are right. Thanks a lot!
Finally I have found the paper (PDF). On page 4:
Amt für Gemeinden und Raumordnung des Kantons Bern
II. Vollzogene oder beschlossene Fusionen
Fusionsprojekte im Kanton Bern (Stand: Ende 2018)
Gemeinden Fusion erfolgt per
37. Kallnach 1.1.2019 (BFS-Nr. 304)
Source: https://www.jgk.be.ch/jgk/de/index/gemeinden/gemeinden/gemeindereformen/fusi...
cheeers, h.
Simon
Am 17.12.2018 um 16:29 schrieb Andreas Bürki:
Am 17.12.2018 um 14:40 schrieb Simon Poole:
Yes, a new year is approaching with alarming speed, as every year since we imported the municipal administrative boundaries we will update them on the 1.1. or soon after. I've prepared (again as always) a list to facilitate splitting the work up: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Switzerland/2019_Municipality_Mergers
Notes:
- the list was based on information from the BfS from September 20th, it has been known (in 2017 for example) for a last minute update to turn up
- what exactly is happening in Kallnach seems to be unclear, does anybody local know? Otherwise I suspect that there will be a last minute update, see above :-)
My reading from above mentioned PDF (link below) is, that there is no municipal merger Kallnach with Golaten by 1.1.2019. The merger is "In Abklärung", what translates somehow like in clarification of how it might work, pro's and con's, etc., what means, that no deal so far.
As well the website of Kallnach (http://www.kallnach.ch/) doesn't say anything about.
In Wikipedia: Im Kanton Bern sind folgende Fusionsvorhaben am Laufen: * https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemeindefusionen_in_der_Schweiz#Bern_3 Amtliches Gemeindeverzeichnis der Schweiz - Angekündigte Änderungen 2018 - Ausgabe vom 20.09.2018 (ersetzt Ausgabe vom 14.06.2018) * https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfsstatic/dam/assets/6166612/master Seite 2: BE 304 Kallnach 664 Golaten -> Kalnach Status: In Abklärung Gültig: ab 1.1.2019
Thus, very likely, there is no action needed by OSM in terms of Kallnach and Golaten.
If there would be an other decision, local media (e.g. BZ or Bund) will communicate it.
cheeers, h.
- the number of changes is very low this year, please do not commit any changes before the 1st of January, the work can easily be done in an hour.
Simon
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Done.
The newly created entities, that is Stammheim and Rheinwald don't have wikipedia and wikidata references yet.
Simon
Am 17.12.2018 um 14:40 schrieb Simon Poole:
Yes, a new year is approaching with alarming speed, as every year since we imported the municipal administrative boundaries we will update them on the 1.1. or soon after. I've prepared (again as always) a list to facilitate splitting the work up: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Switzerland/2019_Municipality_Mergers
Notes:
- the list was based on information from the BfS from September 20th, it has been known (in 2017 for example) for a last minute update to turn up
- what exactly is happening in Kallnach seems to be unclear, does anybody local know? Otherwise I suspect that there will be a last minute update, see above :-)
- the number of changes is very low this year, please do not commit any changes before the 1st of January, the work can easily be done in an hour.
Simon
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Am 01.01.2019 um 11:52 schrieb Simon Poole:
Done.
The newly created entities, that
for the record:
is Stammheim
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stammheim_ZH https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Stammheim_ZH wikidata is under way
and Rheinwald
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinwald_GR https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rheinwald_GR https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q55264136
cheeers & Happy New Year, h.
don't have
wikipedia and wikidata references yet.
Simon
Am 17.12.2018 um 14:40 schrieb Simon Poole:
Yes, a new year is approaching with alarming speed, as every year since we imported the municipal administrative boundaries we will update them on the 1.1. or soon after. I've prepared (again as always) a list to facilitate splitting the work up: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Switzerland/2019_Municipality_Mergers
Notes:
- the list was based on information from the BfS from September 20th, it has been known (in 2017 for example) for a last minute update to turn up
- what exactly is happening in Kallnach seems to be unclear, does anybody local know? Otherwise I suspect that there will be a last minute update, see above :-)
- the number of changes is very low this year, please do not commit any changes before the 1st of January, the work can easily be done in an hour.
Simon
talk-ch mailing list talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/mailman/listinfo/talk-ch
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Small follow-up
- the address statistics here http://qa.poole.ch/addresses/ch/ are missing the data or are not complete for the respective municipalities till the GWR has updated its data and I've imported and re-split it
- the street and place name stats already take the changes in to account.
Simon
Am 01.01.2019 um 11:52 schrieb Simon Poole:
Done.
The newly created entities, that is Stammheim and Rheinwald don't have wikipedia and wikidata references yet.
Simon
Am 17.12.2018 um 14:40 schrieb Simon Poole:
Yes, a new year is approaching with alarming speed, as every year since we imported the municipal administrative boundaries we will update them on the 1.1. or soon after. I've prepared (again as always) a list to facilitate splitting the work up: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Switzerland/2019_Municipality_Mergers
Notes:
- the list was based on information from the BfS from September 20th, it has been known (in 2017 for example) for a last minute update to turn up
- what exactly is happening in Kallnach seems to be unclear, does anybody local know? Otherwise I suspect that there will be a last minute update, see above :-)
- the number of changes is very low this year, please do not commit any changes before the 1st of January, the work can easily be done in an hour.
Simon
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