Hi,
Does it make sense to connect hw=platform/public_transport=platform to the road network?
I started some footway mapping in Lucerne a couple of weeks ago and encountered dozens of platforms which are not connected. I also found some CS which connected the rail platforms to the network.
How do we map bus platforms in Switzerland? On the kerb? On the sidewalk? In the middle of the highways? Elsewhere?
Cheers, Marcel
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Hi Marcel
highway=platform is often wrong for bus stops. Usually, the stop is integrated into the sidewalk. A platform should be connected to the road network, otherwise it's a routing island.
Unfortunately, there was a very opinionated mapper some time ago (no longer active), who really liked this messed up way of mapping. And generally, there is no clear consensus for public transport mapping unfortunately.
So feel free to improve it. In my opinion, best to replace the way with a node besides the road (except if it really is a highway=platform like the terminal at the train station, and not just a raised side walk). But that is just my opinion and not universally shared.
Cheers Michael
On 31/10/2022 08:03, Marcel Ottiger wrote:
Hi,
Does it make sense to connect hw=platform/public_transport=platform to the road network?
I started some footway mapping in Lucerne a couple of weeks ago and encountered dozens of platforms which are not connected. I also found some CS which connected the rail platforms to the network.
How do we map bus platforms in Switzerland? On the kerb? On the sidewalk? In the middle of the highways? Elsewhere?
Cheers, Marcel
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Hallo Michael
Ich hoffe, dass ich da nicht die Büchse der Pandora geöffnet habe. Ich sehe, dass hw=platform schön gerendert wird. Gleichzeitig würde ich in Luzern selbst nur wenige hw=platform als solche interpretieren. In Zürich an diversen Tram-/Bushaltestellen sieht das schon ganz anders aus. Gleichzeitig sind viele hw=platform auch mit pubilc_transport=platform getagt.
Vom Trottoir aus würde das für mich bei einem Wartebereich für den Bus folgendes heissen: hw=footway footway=sidewalk public_transport=platform bus=yes ... (alle anderen *=* die es halt auch noch gibt)
Dieser neue Wartebereich wird in das Wegnetz eingebettet und zwar mittig auf dem Trottoir über die Länge der gelben Markierung auf der Strasse. In dieser Variante würde der bereits gezeichnete hw=footway + footway=sidewalk an zwei Punkten aufgeschnitten.
Eine weitere Variante wäre einfach die p_t=platform über den bereits gezeichneten Fussweg zu zeichnen.
Eine letzte Variante wäre die hw=platform nicht zu verändern, mit einem kurzen Fussweg ans Trottoir anbinden und sich freuen, dass da ein grauer Balken gerendert wird.
Weitere Meinungen?
Liebe Grüsse Marcel
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________________________________ Von: talk-ch talk-ch-bounces@openstreetmap.ch im Auftrag von michael spreng (datendelphin) mailinglist@osm.datendelphin.net Gesendet: Montag, 31. Oktober 2022 09:12 An: talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch Betreff: Re: [talk-ch] Connecting hw=platform/public_transport=platform
Hi Marcel
highway=platform is often wrong for bus stops. Usually, the stop is integrated into the sidewalk. A platform should be connected to the road network, otherwise it's a routing island.
Unfortunately, there was a very opinionated mapper some time ago (no longer active), who really liked this messed up way of mapping. And generally, there is no clear consensus for public transport mapping unfortunately.
So feel free to improve it. In my opinion, best to replace the way with a node besides the road (except if it really is a highway=platform like the terminal at the train station, and not just a raised side walk). But that is just my opinion and not universally shared.
Cheers Michael
On 31/10/2022 08:03, Marcel Ottiger wrote:
Hi,
Does it make sense to connect hw=platform/public_transport=platform to the road network?
I started some footway mapping in Lucerne a couple of weeks ago and encountered dozens of platforms which are not connected. I also found some CS which connected the rail platforms to the network.
How do we map bus platforms in Switzerland? On the kerb? On the sidewalk? In the middle of the highways? Elsewhere?
Cheers, Marcel
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Hallo Marcel
Punkte mit highway=bus_stop werden auch "schön gerendert", oder anders gesagt, sind etabliert und werden von den meisten Daten Konsumenten verstanden. Also am besten einfach beide tags (bus_stop und platform) auf einen node, falls als node gemappt.
Die trottoir Variante geht auch.
übrigens ist trottoir separat mappen, und nicht als Attribut an der Strasse, auch nicht unumstritten. Achte unbedingt auf das routing. Ich habe auf Anhieb fehlende Verbindungen gefunden. Für jede möglicherweise gewünschte Strassenquerung müssen Verbindungen gezeichnet werden. Beispiel: https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_foot&route=... Abbiegen von der Theaterstrasse in den Hirschengraben funktioniert nicht.
Grüsse Michael
On 31/10/2022 14:56, Marcel Ottiger wrote:
Hallo Michael
Ich hoffe, dass ich da nicht die Büchse der Pandora geöffnet habe. Ich sehe, dass hw=platform schön gerendert wird. Gleichzeitig würde ich in Luzern selbst nur wenige hw=platform als solche interpretieren. In Zürich an diversen Tram-/Bushaltestellen sieht das schon ganz anders aus. Gleichzeitig sind viele hw=platform auch mit pubilc_transport=platform getagt.
Vom Trottoir aus würde das für mich bei einem Wartebereich für den Bus folgendes heissen: hw=footway footway=sidewalk public_transport=platform bus=yes ... (alle anderen *=* die es halt auch noch gibt)
Dieser neue Wartebereich wird in das Wegnetz eingebettet und zwar mittig auf dem Trottoir über die Länge der gelben Markierung auf der Strasse. In dieser Variante würde der bereits gezeichnete hw=footway + footway=sidewalk an zwei Punkten aufgeschnitten.
Eine weitere Variante wäre einfach die p_t=platform über den bereits gezeichneten Fussweg zu zeichnen.
Eine letzte Variante wäre die hw=platform nicht zu verändern, mit einem kurzen Fussweg ans Trottoir anbinden und sich freuen, dass da ein grauer Balken gerendert wird.
Weitere Meinungen?
Liebe Grüsse Marcel
Grüezi!
I have edited in my area (Arth-Goldau, Schwyz) to integrate platforms into sidewalks so the sidewalk is continuous with a section of it being the bus platform at times. I may be totally wrong and I ask anyone to check my work here.
In my view the bus stops should often be a node in the road, since the bus is stopping there, and next to it is good for adding nodes like a sign, a shelter, bench, etc. I am not sure if platform refers to the literal painted area on the road where the bus stops or is a pedestrian area where people stand when waiting to board. If the latter, to me that is applicable to a train station, but not to most bus stations since the people stand on what is physically a sidewalk, most often.
On Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 09:12 michael spreng (datendelphin) < mailinglist@osm.datendelphin.net> wrote:
Hi Marcel
highway=platform is often wrong for bus stops. Usually, the stop is integrated into the sidewalk. A platform should be connected to the road network, otherwise it's a routing island.
Unfortunately, there was a very opinionated mapper some time ago (no longer active), who really liked this messed up way of mapping. And generally, there is no clear consensus for public transport mapping unfortunately.
So feel free to improve it. In my opinion, best to replace the way with a node besides the road (except if it really is a highway=platform like the terminal at the train station, and not just a raised side walk). But that is just my opinion and not universally shared.
Cheers Michael
On 31/10/2022 08:03, Marcel Ottiger wrote:
Hi,
Does it make sense to connect hw=platform/public_transport=platform to
the road network?
I started some footway mapping in Lucerne a couple of weeks ago and
encountered dozens of platforms which are not connected. I also found some CS which connected the rail platforms to the network.
How do we map bus platforms in Switzerland? On the kerb? On the
sidewalk? In the middle of the highways? Elsewhere?
Cheers, Marcel
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Hi Christopher
The public_transport=platform or highway=bus_stop is where you wait. And in most cases, there is at least a post to signal where to wait. So for me, the tag for the sign is public_transport=platform / highway=bus_stop. Problem with in the road: you don't know for which direction it is, or which side to wait on.
Of course you can also map the point on the road, which is public_transport=stop_position. Though I don't know when I would be interested in that info as a public transport rider. Maybe in some special train cases where two different trains stop at the same platform at the same time, one on the south end and the other on the north end.
I'm not a native English speaker, but I doubt that platform could be interpreted to mean the painted area on the road. You are not supposed to wait there, on the road. Rather besides the road. Of course, the opinionated mapper used the yellow road marking for drawing his platforms to the side of them, for reasons I can not comprehend.
Cheers, Michael
On 31/10/2022 16:06, Christopher Beddow wrote:
Grüezi!
I have edited in my area (Arth-Goldau, Schwyz) to integrate platforms into sidewalks so the sidewalk is continuous with a section of it being the bus platform at times. I may be totally wrong and I ask anyone to check my work here.
In my view the bus stops should often be a node in the road, since the bus is stopping there, and next to it is good for adding nodes like a sign, a shelter, bench, etc. I am not sure if platform refers to the literal painted area on the road where the bus stops or is a pedestrian area where people stand when waiting to board. If the latter, to me that is applicable to a train station, but not to most bus stations since the people stand on what is physically a sidewalk, most often.
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