I agree that a map as a first focus is indeed desirable, but should it be the slippy map? OK, easy to say. If we don't have swiss tiles to show, I pretty like the http://www.openstreetmap.nl way too show a big map while emphasis local informations. Five languages should be the minimum.

Yves

Am 08.06.2011 19:29, schrieb Marius Rieder:

Hi Community,

I plan to update the openstreetmap.ch in the near future. In my opinion the main focus of the website should be the map. For further information intend to link to openstreetmap.org where possible to avoid redundancy and keep maintenance costs low. As this are jest my 0.02$ i like to know the needs, wishes and ideas of the community.

What do you/we need on openstreetmap.ch?

• Marius

where is the like-button for those tiles? they look very nice :) I think it's a good approach to offer swiss users who are not familiar with osm something they "know"; a map style that is more or less based on map styles swiss people know and thus look somewhat appealing and familiar is a good approach. enriching such a map with swiss-centric overlays and services would be awesome and definitely a long-term project. I think that is what osm needs (in every country) to gain widespread popularity and acceptance among people that just want to have a map and routing etc. I know that osm is more than that, but lets face it: we don't need to target people who are already familiar with osm... we want to increase community size (do we?); we have to spread the word and offer services people are familiar with (map, routing). and having a good looking map and matching page (simple search box, not too much links and infos) that people want to use is a good start. people are familiar with google. and even if osm is more than that, to a lot of newcomers osm is just another map like google maps. and whats the point in having a lot of possibilities with osm if people don't use them because their first contact was disappointing because the homepage was overloaded, the search function did not work correctly and the map looked crappy (lets be honest: default mapnik and osmarender styles are not beauty queens compared to other, commercial services out there; they do what they are supposed too, but not more). serving more people increases our impact. so I think making "the map" nad the homepage more attractive is - for now - a good start. not only for our swiss branch.

I do like the idea of having some sort of "community portal" with links etc. like other countries (germany) do. but I think that having a good, swiss centric map on a simple page with not too much content helps us to promote the brand openstreetmap among our swiss citizens. and the more people know about osm and start using it, the better. lets just offer the map and a search box and maybe a link with more info. that's it. keep it simple and clean. because in my opinion osm.org is not a good implementation of "a map". its a good start to get to know osm, but not a place where the average user will be happy. and openstreetmap.de even less. And in my opinion - I might be wrong! - osm needs a platform to establish its own brand among normal non-cartographers. its nice that osm is used in a variety of services, like mapquest, navdroid, you name them! but the brand osm gets lost that way. And at the moment we are dependent on people knowing osm. not only what the project is, but also that the project itself is attractive without the dependence of other providers. a community portal like germany has is certainly a good idea, but I doubt that we (Switzerland) ever will be big enough to take advantage of a community portal while sacrificing the benefits of offering a simple, solid map service. Especially while we are dependent on how people perceive osm. and perceiving it as a solid, fast alternative to established map services is always a good start. the dutch approach is good, indeed. but before thinking about slideouts we should concentrate on the map itself.

and yes, we should only offer content we can maintain and run in a reasonable way. and with a good performance (tile rendering!). so my main question is: can we?

Marc.

On 09.06.2011 09:02, Stefan Keller wrote:

Hi,

2011/6/9 yvecaiyvecai@gmail.com wrote:

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If we don't have swiss tiles to show, I pretty like the http://www.openstreetmap.nl

Actually we do have Swiss tiles from our OSM-in-a-Box project: http://geometa.hsr.ch/map/ . That was an experiment with a Swiss style GeoServer (not Mapnik). But it's only an prototype since we are not prepared (yet) to host such a thing .

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Five languages should be the minimum

There exists also a http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland/Deutschschweizer_Dialektka... ... :->

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Hello,

If your interested one tine I have generated a render of OSM with the swiss projection ;-) http://map.stephane-brunner.ch/test/

CU Stéphane

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:36 AM, yvecai yvecai@gmail.com wrote:

That's a good point to render our own map: hosting.

Adding some swiss-related links and non-map content is easy, and quite straightforward. It's a basic website work, and this could be a first goal to achive a page around the main slippy map. Rendering our own map means a robust hosting scheme, and a robust sysadmin team. Who can support the hardware needs? Or do we need sponsors? Who is OK to found a sysadmin team?

Yves

On 09. 06. 11 09:02, Stefan Keller wrote:

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Hi,

2011/6/9 yvecaiyvecai@gmail.com  wrote:

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If we don't have swiss tiles to show, I pretty like the http://www.openstreetmap.nl

Actually we do have Swiss tiles from our OSM-in-a-Box project: http://geometa.hsr.ch/map/ . That was an experiment with a Swiss style GeoServer (not Mapnik). But it's only an prototype since we are not prepared (yet) to host such a thing .

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Five languages should be the minimum

There exists also a

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland/Deutschschweizer_Dialektka... ... :->

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Hello,

I think it's https://github.com/developmentseed/openlayers_themes

You can include it in your code with OpenLayers.ImgPath = "http://js.mapbox.com/theme/dark/";

Rémi

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Hi Stéphane,

On 09.06.11 12:08, Stéphane Brunner wrote:

http://map.stephane-brunner.ch/test/

Nice OL-Control Theme. Is it free to use?

Marius

On 09.06.11 09:02, Stefan Keller wrote:

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Five languages should be the minimum

There exists also a http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland/Deutschschweizer_Dialektka... ... :->

May the map but i will not translate the website into Swiss-German.

I fully agree.

I like the dutch version with the non-map contents sliding in/out. It nicely enables a clean-cut map display.

A couple of additional items on the whishlist:

- I would like to add a search bar serving nominatim - Further point for discussion could be the language: osm.ch is currently exclusively in german and the romands quite eager mappers as well - If displaying the position of the cursor, it would be nice presenting it in CH-1904 datum.

Marc

On 09.06.2011, at 09:15, Simon Poole wrote:

One point I forgot: I think it would be a good idea to only

• link to
• offer
• operate

information and services that we can reasonably expect to maintain and run in good and predictable quality.

One of the most annoying things, in general, is "official" stuff that is broken or half broken (for example the cyclemap). Not that experimental, not guaranteed to work, stuff doesn't have it's place, it should just be declared as such and not be the main content of what we are presenting to the public.

Simon

Am 09.06.2011 08:11, schrieb yvecai:

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... Five languages should be the minimum.

Yves

Am 08.06.2011 19:29, schrieb Marius Rieder:

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Hi Community,

I plan to update the openstreetmap.ch in the near future. In my opinion the main focus of the website should be the map. For further information intend to link to openstreetmap.org where possible to avoid redundancy and keep maintenance costs low. As this are jest my 0.02$ i like to know the needs, wishes and ideas of the community.

What do you/we need on openstreetmap.ch?

• Marius

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Hi Raphael,

On 09.06.11 08:31, Raphael Studer wrote:

I'd like to see the overlays from lab.openstreetmap.ch. Maybe add some more information to the info-bubbles, things like the webpage or opening hours at the pleasure overlay.

The Tileed Markers from lab are nice but have some back draws. We need to "render" the tiles and we need to maintain a some addons to openlayers to keep it working. Have someone experience with adding markers to openlayers which are dynamic loaded, like the tiles? Or is switching to leafle a better approach?

A sports overlay with all sport= tags would also be cool. An overlay with all public transport stops (maybe with next-train info-bubble as seen on http://map.xiala.net/ :).

To add more overlays should not be a problem in the end. However the copyright of the overlay source have to be checked first in case of sbb.

Marius

On 09.06.11 18:40, yvecai wrote:

Maybe I don't get it well, but IMO that's where a swiss Xapi would be usefull. Adding new POIs from openlayer.format.OSM would be really easy.

The back draw of Xapi or WFS is the server power which is required. Even with a powerful CH-Xapi service we most probably have to wait until the draw have finished to loading the POIs. It's just not as eye candy as possible. Google solve this by rendering the POIs into the map tiles and loading the magic area with popup later. This way you get a nice map including poi as soon as the tiles are loaded but the POIs don't "work" until you stop dragging. Which don't hurt anyway. This was the reason for me to implement the Tile based POIs where it's possible to load some extra tiles outside of the actual view like the map-tile layer do.

- Marius

Hi Marius,

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I'd like to see the overlays from lab.openstreetmap.ch. Maybe add some more information to the info-bubbles, things like the webpage or opening hours at the pleasure overlay.

The Tileed Markers from lab are nice but have some back draws. We need to "render" the tiles and we need to maintain a some addons to openlayers to keep it working. Have someone experience with adding markers to openlayers which are dynamic loaded, like the tiles? Or is switching to leafle a better approach?

I havn't used one of these tools, but it would be a plus if the map on osm.ch is more than just "a map".

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A sports overlay with all sport= tags would also be cool. An overlay with all public transport stops (maybe with next-train info-bubble as seen on http://map.xiala.net/ :).

To add more overlays should not be a problem in the end. However the copyright of the overlay source have to be checked first in case of sbb.

We could make a list with possible overlays and their copyright status. Something like:

Overlay, Comment, Licence sports, show all osm sport tags, osm xialasbb, show departure times on railwaystations, not allowed atm

Raphael

Hi Marius,

We may need to distinguish between "augmented maps" like maps.google.com and "maps with markers" like map.search.ch.

Markes for search results are fine but for thinks like bus stops the clutter up the map. Implement a "augmented map" is however a bit more tricky as it have to correspond with the map tiles. A augmented layer would be realy cool but Renderstyle and zoom level dependant so nothing for "just use xapi with OL.Format.OSM" :-/

I'm not unhappy with "map with markers", as long as I can choose which ones I'd like to see/use.

Raphael