Hi everyone
A user recently deleted apparently all post offices in Switzerland and then readded them adding postid, suspicious survey:date and (in my opinion redundant) operator:<language code> tags, see e.g. this changeset [1]. Thereby, not only the version history has been deleted, but also information got lost: for example post_office=post_partner tags on shops were replaced with separate amenity=post_office nodes.
Has this has been discussed anywhere? Unfortunately, the user that did these edits does not reply. I propose to revert these edits. However, as there are so many, i don't know if this is even possible.
Best regards and have a nice Sunday
Raphael (dafadllyn)
Hi Raphael
On 13.11.21 21:50, Raphael wrote:
A user recently deleted apparently all post offices in Switzerland and then readded them adding postid, suspicious survey:date and (in my opinion redundant) operator:<language code> tags, see e.g. this changeset [1]. Thereby, not only the version history has been deleted, but also information got lost: for example post_office=post_partner tags on shops were replaced with separate amenity=post_office nodes.
Ouch. Thanks for making us aware of that.
Has this has been discussed anywhere?
Not that I'm aware of. So probably neither on this list, nor at the Zurich "Stammtisch" meeting.
Unfortunately, the user that did these edits does not reply.
:-(
I propose to revert these edits.
Seconded.
However, as there are so many, i don't know if this is even possible.
As long as there aren't any conflicting subsequent edits of the affected objects, it should be possible.
Kind regards, Raphael (das-g)
It seems to be very unlikely the source was 'observation' for any of.those specific edits. So at least those changesets should be reverted completly.
Am 13. November 2021 22:05:38 MEZ schrieb "Raphael Das Gupta (das-g)" lists.openstreetmap.ch@raphael.dasgupta.ch:
Hi Raphael
On 13.11.21 21:50, Raphael wrote:
A user recently deleted apparently all post offices in Switzerland and then readded them adding postid, suspicious survey:date and (in my opinion redundant) operator:<language code> tags, see e.g. this changeset [1]. Thereby, not only the version history has been deleted, but also information got lost: for example post_office=post_partner tags on shops were replaced with separate amenity=post_office nodes.
Ouch. Thanks for making us aware of that.
Has this has been discussed anywhere?
Not that I'm aware of. So probably neither on this list, nor at the Zurich "Stammtisch" meeting.
Unfortunately, the user that did these edits does not reply.
:-(
I propose to revert these edits.
Seconded.
However, as there are so many, i don't know if this is even possible.
As long as there aren't any conflicting subsequent edits of the affected objects, it should be possible.
Kind regards, Raphael (das-g)
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The main problem is that the mapper in question has a lot of legit edits mixed up with those that are problematic. I mechanically produced a list of 133 changesets that are potentially problematic, but it would be nice if they could be reviewed
https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112528548 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112528532 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112528233 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112528091 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112528003 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112518872 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112517215 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112492966 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112491695 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112490920 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112490109 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112489691 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112475704 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112471802 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112466081 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112465624 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112464525 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112464225 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112463222 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112462785 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112462391 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112453869 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112452881 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112451984 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112450687 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112449030 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112448145 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112447522 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112445847 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112445337 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112444568 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112444133 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112431013 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112428845 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112428221 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112427951 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112427591 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112427067 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112426836 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112426407 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112426031 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112425526 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112424161 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112423865 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112423488 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112423331 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112422899 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112422611 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112422316 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112421155 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112420765 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112420352 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112419645 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112418097 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112416941 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112416713 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112415298 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112414682 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112409937 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112409700 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112408687 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112408229 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112407296 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112405618 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112404900 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112404438 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112404255 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112403134 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112402709 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112402131 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112401412 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112401094 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112400626 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112400441 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112398988 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112387834 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112387550 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112387337 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112387207 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112384840 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112384423 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112383846 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112382280 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112381805 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112381418 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112380982 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112380165 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112379699 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112379080 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112378549 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112377777 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112377724 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112377544 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112377271 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112376632 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112376400 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112376093 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112375893 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112375685 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112363157 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112265519 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112265000 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112263969 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112263913 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112263555 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112262983 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112248004 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112246931 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112214180 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112206533 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112205418 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112202751 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112201203 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112199497 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112186192 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112184131 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112171133 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112168538 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112159530 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112155506 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112139123 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112138620 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112137961 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112136898 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112134822 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112092199 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112092174 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112091410 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112091073 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112091023 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112090993 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112090937 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset112044734
Sight, the urls were missing a /
https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112528548 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112528532 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112528233 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112528091 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112528003 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112518872 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112517215 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112492966 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112491695 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112490920 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112490109 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112489691 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112475704 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112471802 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112466081 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112465624 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112464525 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112464225 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112463222 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112462785 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112462391 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112453869 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112452881 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112451984 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112450687 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112449030 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112448145 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112447522 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112445847 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112445337 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112444568 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112444133 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112431013 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112428845 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112428221 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112427951 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112427591 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112427067 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112426836 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112426407 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112426031 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112425526 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112424161 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112423865 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112423488 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112423331 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112422899 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112422611 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112422316 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112421155 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112420765 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112420352 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112419645 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112418097 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112416941 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112416713 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112415298 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112414682 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112409937 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112409700 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112408687 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112408229 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112407296 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112405618 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112404900 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112404438 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112404255 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112403134 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112402709 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112402131 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112401412 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112401094 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112400626 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112400441 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112398988 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112387834 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112387550 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112387337 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112387207 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112384840 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112384423 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112383846 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112382280 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112381805 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112381418 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112380982 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112380165 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112379699 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112379080 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112378549 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112377777 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112377724 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112377544 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112377271 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112376632 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112376400 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112376093 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112375893 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112375685 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112363157 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112265519 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112265000 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112263969 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112263913 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112263555 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112262983 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112248004 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112246931 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112214180 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112206533 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112205418 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112202751 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112201203 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112199497 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112186192 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112184131 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112171133 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112168538 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112159530 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112155506 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112139123 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112138620 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112137961 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112136898 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112134822 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112092199 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112092174 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112091410 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112091073 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112091023 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112090993 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112090937 https://openstreetmap.org/changeset/112044734
On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 at 09:23, Simon Poole simon@poole.ch wrote:
The main problem is that the mapper in question has a lot of legit edits mixed up with those that are problematic. I mechanically produced a list of 133 changesets that are potentially problematic, but it would be nice if they could be reviewed
I've checked about 20 - 30 changesets on you list using Achavi and they were all problematical. However, it seems that you missed changesets where the user deleted post offices, e.g.:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/112092221 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/112138307
The changes in question have now been reverted. There is likely a substantial bit of clean up to do, and in one point BBMaper was correct it seems as if in some regions our data is significantly out of date, with other words this could be a topic for a "zeitnaher" PoTM.
Simon
Am 14.11.2021 um 09:23 schrieb Simon Poole:
The main problem is that the mapper in question has a lot of legit edits mixed up with those that are problematic. I mechanically produced a list of 133 changesets that are potentially problematic, but it would be nice if they could be reviewed
....
Hi Simon, hi everyone
On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 at 14:46, Simon Poole simon@poole.ch wrote:
The changes in question have now been reverted.
Thanks to you and Frederic (and to others who may have helped) for your efforts!
[...] in one point BBMaper was correct it seems as if in some regions our data is significantly out of date with other words this could be a topic for a "zeitnaher" PoTM.
Yes, unfortunately this is true. Any help to update the post offices and post partner shops is greatly appreciated.
By the way, are there any news from the SOSM board whether it is legally possible to use the dataset "Zugangspunkte Post" [^1] in OSM (see discussion about postboxes from June/July)? If so, the post offices and post partner shops on this list could be compared with our data. (For reasons that i don't understand, the Swiss Post defines both post offices and post partner shops as "Filiale" ("poityp_de"), however it seems that post partner shops have an "AdditionalDescription" while post offices don't. There are also some differencies in "service_de".)
[^1]: https://swisspost.opendatasoft.com/explore/dataset/zugangspunkte-post/
Best regards
Raphael
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