Hi all,
I am trying to add new bus stops following the route change of bus 12.701https://www.mbc.ch/posts/news/18157705 since 07.2022. Four new bus stops are to be added:
St-Sulpice, Castolin St-Sulpice, En Champagny St-Sulpice, Ochettaz-Ormet St-Sulpice, Pré-Fleuri
These stops are completely new so I need to create them from scratch. However, I am not familiar with the bus stop tagging in Switzerland, seems that the data are all imported at some time. E.g.
where can I find the "uic_ref" data of a bus stop ?
Best, Terry
Hi Terry
In Switzerland these numbers are defined in the "Didok" list.
You can use this list: https://opentransportdata.swiss/de/dataset/didok/resource/97e5aade-7b2c-4a1e...
Enter the station name in "search data" and then take the value from BPUIC.
Cheers Christian
On 10.07.22 20:33, Terryyy Zhang wrote:
Hi all,
I am trying to add new bus stops following the route change of bus 12.701 https://www.mbc.ch/posts/news/18157705 since 07.2022. Four new bus stops are to be added:
St-Sulpice, Castolin St-Sulpice, En Champagny St-Sulpice, Ochettaz-Ormet St-Sulpice, Pré-Fleuri
These stops are completely new so I need to create them from scratch. However, I am not familiar with the bus stop tagging in Switzerland, seems that the data are all imported at some time. E.g.
where can I find the "uic_ref" data of a bus stop ?
Best, Terry
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http://didok.osm.ch/ may also be of help, however I'm not sure if the underlying DIDOK data is current or not.
Simon
Am 11.07.2022 um 09:36 schrieb Christian Helbling:
Hi Terry
In Switzerland these numbers are defined in the "Didok" list.
You can use this list: https://opentransportdata.swiss/de/dataset/didok/resource/97e5aade-7b2c-4a1e...
Enter the station name in "search data" and then take the value from BPUIC.
Cheers Christian
On 10.07.22 20:33, Terryyy Zhang wrote:
Hi all,
I am trying to add new bus stops following the route change of bus 12.701 https://www.mbc.ch/posts/news/18157705 since 07.2022. Four new bus stops are to be added:
St-Sulpice, Castolin St-Sulpice, En Champagny St-Sulpice, Ochettaz-Ormet St-Sulpice, Pré-Fleuri
These stops are completely new so I need to create them from scratch. However, I am not familiar with the bus stop tagging in Switzerland, seems that the data are all imported at some time. E.g.
where can I find the "uic_ref" data of a bus stop ?
Best, Terry
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Hi Terry, hi all!
On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 at 13:13, Simon Poole simon@poole.ch wrote:
http://didok.osm.ch/ may also be of help, however I'm not sure if the underlying DIDOK data is current or not.
At least the bus stops mentioned by Terry are present on http://didok.osm.ch/.
Best Regards
Raphael
Hello,
Le 10.07.22 à 20:33, Terryyy Zhang a écrit :
These stops are completely new so I need to create them from scratch. However, I am not familiar with the bus stop tagging in Switzerland, seems that the data are all imported at some time
feel free to add the bus stop without any ref, it's really better than waiting for the ref before adding them. external ref should help to improve osm data, not to slown down osm
Regards, Marc
Good question, I hesitate to ask about it a while ago. By the way, I would be very interested to participate in a kind of workshop to learn how to properly tag public transport, especially bus, and sharing tips.
I managed to create and update some bus lines, with great help from the jungle bus blog, but not very efficiently, I think.
That workshop/gathering could be especially useful as habi noticed several months ago that sovereign_ch is not active anymore.
Imagoiq
Hi
Just wanted to add: didok.osm.ch pulls the list from opentransportdata weekly.
About the mapping: the highway=bus_stop or public_transport=platform are the most important feature. Both are interchangeable and regularly cause heated debate. Map it as a point besides the road, even though sovereign_ch mapped everything as lines. Points are still better supported by data consumers.
I usually don't map the routes, because it is just so much more work. And the scheme is so complicated. For data consumers I think it would make more sense to load the routes (not the stops) from opentransportdata for the foreseeable future. But of course you are free to map them in OSM. At the cost of slightly annoying other mappers with tons of relations on certain ways ;)
If a workshop/gathering is organized, I would gladly present the didok.osm.ch tool for mapping and QA.
Michael
Points [tagged with highway=bus_stop or public_transport=platform] are still better supported by data consumers [than lines].
Curious, which consumers specifically? Are there pending feature requests?
— Sascha
Am Di., 12. Juli 2022 um 21:39 Uhr schrieb michael spreng (datendelphin) < mailinglist@osm.datendelphin.net>:
Hi
Just wanted to add: didok.osm.ch pulls the list from opentransportdata weekly.
About the mapping: the highway=bus_stop or public_transport=platform are the most important feature. Both are interchangeable and regularly cause heated debate. Map it as a point besides the road, even though sovereign_ch mapped everything as lines. Points are still better supported by data consumers.
I usually don't map the routes, because it is just so much more work. And the scheme is so complicated. For data consumers I think it would make more sense to load the routes (not the stops) from opentransportdata for the foreseeable future. But of course you are free to map them in OSM. At the cost of slightly annoying other mappers with tons of relations on certain ways ;)
If a workshop/gathering is organized, I would gladly present the didok.osm.ch tool for mapping and QA.
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Hello,
Le 13.07.22 à 08:38, Sascha Brawer a écrit :
Points [tagged with highway=bus_stop or public_transport=platform] are still better supported by data consumers [than lines].
Curious, which consumers specifically?
most render style use node-only bus stop
Are there pending feature requests?
yes, an improved render style
Regards, Marc
Hai Loide Was machen wir eigentlich mit losem Baumbestand, v.a. in den Alpen? Also das, was auf der Topomap mit grün gepunkteten Flächen angegeben ist. Zu dicht stehend für Einzelbaummapping, zu lose für Wald. Und ganz weglassen ist auch falsch. Irgendwie gibt's dafür keinen passenden Tag. "Buschland" ist es auch nicht wirklich. Cheers, Philippe
Hi zusammen Hier gleich mehrere solcher Flächen (die highway=service Flächen):
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Erstens würd ich das für übermapping halten, aber zweitens ist es wohl falsch, Flächen als Strassen/Wege zu mappen. Kann man sowas einfach ersatzlos löschen?
Zweitens: Die korrekte "Strassenfläche". Will man sowas mappen?
Cheers, Philippe
Hallo Philippe
Ich finde es nicht falsch, Strassen zusätzlich als Fläche einzuzeichnen, jedoch wäre area:highway=* [^1] das passendere Tag dazu.
[^1]: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:area:highway
Lieben Gruss Raphael
On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 at 09:00, Sentalize sentalize@yahoo.de wrote:
Hi zusammen
Hier gleich mehrere solcher Flächen (die highway=service Flächen):
OpenStreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/47.20858/7.52164
OpenStreetMap
OpenStreetMap is a map of the world, created by people like you and free to use under an open license. https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/47.20858/7.52164
Erstens würd ich das für übermapping halten, aber zweitens ist es wohl falsch, Flächen als Strassen/Wege zu mappen. Kann man sowas einfach ersatzlos löschen?
Zweitens: Die korrekte "Strassenfläche". Will man sowas mappen?
Cheers,
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