Hi,
after some more tweaking of the server, I am now able to offer maps for all waymarked routes in Switzerland (well, apart from the canoe routes. Are they even signposted?). You'll find them here:
Hiking: http://hiking.lonvia.de Bicycle: http://cycling.lonvia.de Mountain-biking: http://mtb.lonvia.de Inline skating: http://skating.lonvia.de
As usual, all maps are overlays for the standard Mapnik map and are updated once daily. (MTB and inline skating are still in beta-testing state, so please tell me, if something doesn't work.)
The tagging for the first three kinds of routes should be quite clear. Use route=hiking/bicycle/mtb and the usual tags for the Swiss Mobile Network (see also OSM Wiki).
Inline skating, however, is another matter. There are only about a dozen relations world-wide in the database and every mapper managed to come up with a different route tag. In Switzerland, the inline skating route are still tagged with route=bicycle (for the renderer, I was told).
So, basically, we can invent a shiny new value for route, if we want. For the moment, I have decided to go with route=inline_skates because it is used most (well, 4 times). Would that be ok?
If there are no objections or other suggestions, I would change the route tag of the existing routes and also remove the 'IS' from the ref, as this was only used to distinguish them from cycle routes.
Gruss
Sarah
Hi,
Great! Very useful, thank you. Because of your announcement, I mapped yesterday the beginning of route 66, Zentralschweiz Skate. It is relation 1792047. Now I saw that a relation 149011 exists. Need I to add it to this relation? looks like a bookmark to me, not that useful. Also, what is with the network tag? again needed for national/local distinguishing? But the other relations still carry the cycling network tag. perhaps replace the ncn with national and rcn with regional?
Anyway, very nice work. Hope to see more skating routes soon.
Datendelphin
On 13.10.2011 17:58, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
Hi,
after some more tweaking of the server, I am now able to offer maps for all waymarked routes in Switzerland (well, apart from the canoe routes. Are they even signposted?). You'll find them here:
Hiking: http://hiking.lonvia.de Bicycle: http://cycling.lonvia.de Mountain-biking: http://mtb.lonvia.de Inline skating: http://skating.lonvia.de
As usual, all maps are overlays for the standard Mapnik map and are updated once daily. (MTB and inline skating are still in beta-testing state, so please tell me, if something doesn't work.)
The tagging for the first three kinds of routes should be quite clear. Use route=hiking/bicycle/mtb and the usual tags for the Swiss Mobile Network (see also OSM Wiki).
Inline skating, however, is another matter. There are only about a dozen relations world-wide in the database and every mapper managed to come up with a different route tag. In Switzerland, the inline skating route are still tagged with route=bicycle (for the renderer, I was told).
So, basically, we can invent a shiny new value for route, if we want. For the moment, I have decided to go with route=inline_skates because it is used most (well, 4 times). Would that be ok?
If there are no objections or other suggestions, I would change the route tag of the existing routes and also remove the 'IS' from the ref, as this was only used to distinguish them from cycle routes.
Gruss
Sarah
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Salut,
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 10:41:39AM +0200, datendelphin wrote:
Great! Very useful, thank you. Because of your announcement, I mapped yesterday the beginning of route 66, Zentralschweiz Skate. It is relation 1792047. Now I saw that a relation 149011 exists. Need I to add it to this relation? looks like a bookmark to me, not that useful.
The map ignores these network relations and, personally speaking, I don't like them very much. But some people insist that they need them to be able to pull all routes at once from the database. So, I'd say, adding your new relation is optional.
Also, what is with the network tag? again needed for national/local distinguishing? But the other relations still carry the cycling network tag. perhaps replace the ncn with national and rcn with regional?
Yes, that would be a good idea. We discussed something similar on the IRC yesterday and so far, everybody seems to like national/regional/local as a value.
At the moment the map recognizes ncn/rcn/lcn because it's what the Wiki says at the moment. But if somebody would write a short mail to the tagging mailinglist and change the wiki, I'll happily fix the map.
Sarah
Anyway, very nice work. Hope to see more skating routes soon.
Datendelphin
On 13.10.2011 17:58, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
Hi,
after some more tweaking of the server, I am now able to offer maps for all waymarked routes in Switzerland (well, apart from the canoe routes. Are they even signposted?). You'll find them here:
Hiking: http://hiking.lonvia.de Bicycle: http://cycling.lonvia.de Mountain-biking: http://mtb.lonvia.de Inline skating: http://skating.lonvia.de
As usual, all maps are overlays for the standard Mapnik map and are updated once daily. (MTB and inline skating are still in beta-testing state, so please tell me, if something doesn't work.)
The tagging for the first three kinds of routes should be quite clear. Use route=hiking/bicycle/mtb and the usual tags for the Swiss Mobile Network (see also OSM Wiki).
Inline skating, however, is another matter. There are only about a dozen relations world-wide in the database and every mapper managed to come up with a different route tag. In Switzerland, the inline skating route are still tagged with route=bicycle (for the renderer, I was told).
So, basically, we can invent a shiny new value for route, if we want. For the moment, I have decided to go with route=inline_skates because it is used most (well, 4 times). Would that be ok?
If there are no objections or other suggestions, I would change the route tag of the existing routes and also remove the 'IS' from the ref, as this was only used to distinguish them from cycle routes.
Gruss
Sarah
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Am 15.10.2011 12:38, schrieb Sarah Hoffmann:
Also, what is with the network tag? again needed for national/local distinguishing? But the other relations still carry the cycling network tag. perhaps replace the ncn with national and rcn with regional?
Yes, that would be a good idea. We discussed something similar on the IRC yesterday and so far, everybody seems to like national/regional/local as a value.
At the moment the map recognizes ncn/rcn/lcn because it's what the Wiki says at the moment. But if somebody would write a short mail to the tagging mailinglist and change the wiki, I'll happily fix the map.
I've changed the wiki, I don't see why the tagging list should be involved, we are simply not misusing an existing tag value any more (in other words a non-event).
Simon
Nobody has changed anything wrt cycle routes.
Simon
PS: not that it wouldn't be a good idea to get rid of ncn rcn and lcn, but they are probably here to stay
Am 15.10.2011 17:37, schrieb Micha Ruh:
not misusing an existing tag value any more (in other words a non-event).only breaking the international Cycle Map?
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On 15 October 2011 18:25, Simon Poole simon@poole.ch wrote:
Nobody has changed anything wrt cycle routes.
Thanks for clarification!
PS: not that it wouldn't be a good idea to get rid of ncn rcn and lcn, but they are probably here to stay
so true :D
On 15 October 2011 18:57, Sarah Hoffmann lonvia@denofr.de wrote:
To be very clear: route=national/regional/local will _only_ work on skating routes. All other routes should be tagged as usual and the maps will not change.
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 05:37:16PM +0200, Micha Ruh wrote:
not misusing an existing tag value any more (in other words a non-event).
only breaking the international Cycle Map?
To be very clear: route=national/regional/local will _only_ work on skating routes. All other routes should be tagged as usual and the maps will not change.
Sarah
We were discussing the network tag yesterday on #irc-ch and agreed that it doesn't make sense to repeat previous mistakes and that we should simply user national, regional, local (and probably international too). I'll fix the existing relations.
The relation 149011 should contain all of the routes in Switzerland, please see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/EN:Switzerland/InlineNetwork
(you should add route 66 too).
Simon
Am 15.10.2011 10:41, schrieb datendelphin:
Hi,
Great! Very useful, thank you. Because of your announcement, I mapped yesterday the beginning of route 66, Zentralschweiz Skate. It is relation 1792047. Now I saw that a relation 149011 exists. Need I to add it to this relation? looks like a bookmark to me, not that useful. Also, what is with the network tag? again needed for national/local distinguishing? But the other relations still carry the cycling network tag. perhaps replace the ncn with national and rcn with regional?
Anyway, very nice work. Hope to see more skating routes soon.
Datendelphin
On 13.10.2011 17:58, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
Hi,
after some more tweaking of the server, I am now able to offer maps for all waymarked routes in Switzerland (well, apart from the canoe routes. Are they even signposted?). You'll find them here:
Hiking: http://hiking.lonvia.de Bicycle: http://cycling.lonvia.de Mountain-biking: http://mtb.lonvia.de Inline skating: http://skating.lonvia.de
As usual, all maps are overlays for the standard Mapnik map and are updated once daily. (MTB and inline skating are still in beta-testing state, so please tell me, if something doesn't work.)
The tagging for the first three kinds of routes should be quite clear. Use route=hiking/bicycle/mtb and the usual tags for the Swiss Mobile Network (see also OSM Wiki).
Inline skating, however, is another matter. There are only about a dozen relations world-wide in the database and every mapper managed to come up with a different route tag. In Switzerland, the inline skating route are still tagged with route=bicycle (for the renderer, I was told).
So, basically, we can invent a shiny new value for route, if we want. For the moment, I have decided to go with route=inline_skates because it is used most (well, 4 times). Would that be ok?
If there are no objections or other suggestions, I would change the route tag of the existing routes and also remove the 'IS' from the ref, as this was only used to distinguish them from cycle routes.
Gruss
Sarah
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On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:42:05PM +0200, Simon Poole wrote:
We were discussing the network tag yesterday on #irc-ch and agreed that it doesn't make sense to repeat previous mistakes and that we should simply user national, regional, local (and probably international too).
'international' is not really necessary. If you want to know if it crosses the border, download the borders and find out. Something like 'continental' might be more intersting (i.e. that should be a route that exceeds the national networks, not just a local one between two tourism regions that happen to be on different sides of a national boundary.)
The relation 149011 should contain all of the routes in Switzerland, please see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/EN:Switzerland/InlineNetwork
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Relations_are_not_Categories
Sarah
(you should add route 66 too).
Simon
Am 15.10.2011 10:41, schrieb datendelphin:
Hi,
Great! Very useful, thank you. Because of your announcement, I mapped yesterday the beginning of route 66, Zentralschweiz Skate. It is relation 1792047. Now I saw that a relation 149011 exists. Need I to add it to this relation? looks like a bookmark to me, not that useful. Also, what is with the network tag? again needed for national/local distinguishing? But the other relations still carry the cycling network tag. perhaps replace the ncn with national and rcn with regional?
Anyway, very nice work. Hope to see more skating routes soon.
Datendelphin
On 13.10.2011 17:58, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
Hi,
after some more tweaking of the server, I am now able to offer maps for all waymarked routes in Switzerland (well, apart from the canoe routes. Are they even signposted?). You'll find them here:
Hiking: http://hiking.lonvia.de Bicycle: http://cycling.lonvia.de Mountain-biking: http://mtb.lonvia.de Inline skating: http://skating.lonvia.de
As usual, all maps are overlays for the standard Mapnik map and are updated once daily. (MTB and inline skating are still in beta-testing state, so please tell me, if something doesn't work.)
The tagging for the first three kinds of routes should be quite clear. Use route=hiking/bicycle/mtb and the usual tags for the Swiss Mobile Network (see also OSM Wiki).
Inline skating, however, is another matter. There are only about a dozen relations world-wide in the database and every mapper managed to come up with a different route tag. In Switzerland, the inline skating route are still tagged with route=bicycle (for the renderer, I was told).
So, basically, we can invent a shiny new value for route, if we want. For the moment, I have decided to go with route=inline_skates because it is used most (well, 4 times). Would that be ok?
If there are no objections or other suggestions, I would change the route tag of the existing routes and also remove the 'IS' from the ref, as this was only used to distinguish them from cycle routes.
Gruss
Sarah
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Am 15.10.2011 13:51, schrieb Sarah Hoffmann:
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The relation 149011 should contain all of the routes in Switzerland, please see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/EN:Switzerland/InlineNetwork
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Relations_are_not_Categories
Sarah
I don't really disagree, it is more for consistencies sake then anything else (we've historically done it for all route categories (:-)).
Simon
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