Hi
Most Bus Stations/Lines in Switzerland are operated by PAG (PostAuto Schweiz AG). At the 10th of June 2011 User xylome did a mass edit (1) on 650 nodes and 79 relations to change PAG => PostAuto Schweiz AG in different languages. This was done on a bounding box which covers almost whole Switzerland. The remaining 10000 nodes with operator=PAG were somehow missed. Is there any explanation of this action?
The PAG obviously comes from the Didok Import. With a few exceptions, operator contains always an acronym. (2)
What do we consider the right value? It would make sense to have the values consistent IMHO.
Beni
(1) http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8395099 (2) http://taginfo.openstreetmap.ch/keys/operator#values
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 01:20:43PM +0200, Beni Buess wrote:
Hi
Most Bus Stations/Lines in Switzerland are operated by PAG (PostAuto Schweiz AG). At the 10th of June 2011 User xylome did a mass edit (1) on 650 nodes and 79 relations to change PAG => PostAuto Schweiz AG in different languages. This was done on a bounding box which covers almost whole Switzerland. The remaining 10000 nodes with operator=PAG were somehow missed. Is there any explanation of this action?
The PAG obviously comes from the Didok Import. With a few exceptions, operator contains always an acronym. (2)
What do we consider the right value? It would make sense to have the values consistent IMHO.
xylome is the maintainer of the xybot. I contacted him on the 10th about the problem with the betreiber tag. He promised to revert the changes but he felt that acronyms are not proper for an OSM tag. I explained that changing the tag to PostAuto AG would break consistency but apparently he didn't care. Instead, he seems to have decided to also change also stops previously untouched by xybot. Excellent.
Personally, I don't care if there are acronyms or full names in the operator tag. But I totally agree with you that consistency is important. If there is a strong agreement with xylome that operator tags should contain the full name then I can do another mass edit using the DidokImport user. Otherwise we should revert xylomes changes.
Sarah
Hi folks! I prefer the full name in this case, because it's more meaningful than the acronym, and because it's rather what is written on the post buses (not precisely though). Also I don't feel that for the operator the value needs to be always the full name or always the acronym. For SBB, TPG and VZO for example the acronym seems fine to me because this is what's written on their coaches (see [1], [2], [3]). However, on the post buses you'll find "PostAuto" or "CarPostal" instead of "PAG" [4]. This is why I opt for the full name.
Cheers, Andreas
[1] http://www.swissinfo.ch/media/cms/images/swissinfo/2010/12/066-28973752.jpg [2] http://www.tpg.ch/fr/presse/phototheque/_photos/tpg_tram_cityrunner.png [3] http://www.zvv.ch/export/sites/default/common-images/content-image-gallery/m... [4] http://www.jurabernois.ch/pictures/content/jura_tourisme/location_car_postal...
On 15 July 2011 16:52, Sarah Hoffmann lonvia@denofr.de wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 01:20:43PM +0200, Beni Buess wrote:
Hi
Most Bus Stations/Lines in Switzerland are operated by PAG (PostAuto Schweiz AG). At the 10th of June 2011 User xylome did a mass edit (1) on 650 nodes and 79 relations to change PAG => PostAuto Schweiz AG in different languages. This was done on a bounding box which covers almost whole Switzerland. The remaining 10000 nodes with operator=PAG were somehow missed. Is there any explanation of this action?
The PAG obviously comes from the Didok Import. With a few exceptions, operator contains always an acronym. (2)
What do we consider the right value? It would make sense to have the values consistent IMHO.
xylome is the maintainer of the xybot. I contacted him on the 10th about the problem with the betreiber tag. He promised to revert the changes but he felt that acronyms are not proper for an OSM tag. I explained that changing the tag to PostAuto AG would break consistency but apparently he didn't care. Instead, he seems to have decided to also change also stops previously untouched by xybot. Excellent.
Personally, I don't care if there are acronyms or full names in the operator tag. But I totally agree with you that consistency is important. If there is a strong agreement with xylome that operator tags should contain the full name then I can do another mass edit using the DidokImport user. Otherwise we should revert xylomes changes.
Sarah
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One or the other way, personally I don't care. ***Consistency is key***.
Maybe helpful for future purpose, add operator's Web site. - Time-table for each bus-stop might be a little bit too complicated and too much as well.
cheers, hugi
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