Hello,

Effectively, OK, thanks.

CU Stéphane

Thomas Ineichen a écrit :

Hi,

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here I post a question about "General driving ban" http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:En:CH:Map_Features#General_driving_b...

vehicle=no. (As long as there is no additional sign underneath.)

Wheter it's highway=footway or highway=path is arguable, but it might also be any other highway.

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My suggestion

2.13

motorcar=no (or specific restriction) motorcycle=no (or specific restriction)

2.14

motor_vehicle=no (or specific restriction)

however there is a bit of room for interpretation there (is a mofa considered a regular motorized vehicle everywhere?), so at times I have tagged it as

motorcar=no motorcycle=no mofa=no

(mofa, I believe, is not actually an official attribute).

Simon

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Hoffmann" lonvia@denofr.de To: "Openstreetmap Schweiz/Suisse/Svizzera/Svizra" talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [talk-ch]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:En:CH:Map_Features#General_d riving_ban

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 01:00:54PM +0200, Thomas Ineichen wrote:

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Hi,

...

here I post a question about "General driving ban" http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:En:CH:Map_Features#General_driving_b...

vehicle=no. (As long as there is no additional sign underneath.)

That was new to me, I should reread the Wiki more often.

Is there something like http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Road_Signs for signs that are different in Switzerland? For example, I'm still unsure how to tag the difference between http://www.ellgass.ch/catalogue/art_2.13.htm and http://www.ellgass.ch/catalogue/art_2.14.htm .

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/741_21/a19.html

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/741_21/app2.html

Motorcycle definitely does not include mofa (Motorfahrrad).

Simon

----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ineichen" osm@t-i.ch To: talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [talk-ch]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:En:CH:Map_Features#General_d riving_ban

Hallo Sarah,

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That was new to me, I should reread the Wiki more often.

That's why I'm working on http://access.t-i.ch/ ;-)

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Is there something like http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Road_Signs for signs that are different in Switzerland? For example, I'm still unsure how to tag the difference between http://www.ellgass.ch/catalogue/art_2.13.htm and http://www.ellgass.ch/catalogue/art_2.14.htm .

That's a Swiss question indeed, as most other countries only know sign 2.13 (car and motorcycle). I would tag 2.13 as motorcar=no and motorcycle=no and 2.14 as motor_vehicle=no.

Maybe a better way would be to tag 2.13 as motor_vehicle=no, moped/mofa=yes, as it is not yet clear if moped/mofa is a child of motorcycle or not.

I once tried to clean up the wiki-page about access, but maybe it's better to visualize it with a hierarchical diagramm.. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:access

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----- Original Message ----- > Sorry, I probably wasn't clear enough in that point:

I meant it's not clear in the OSM-hierarchy, whether motorcycle includes mofas or not.

We're very much in agreement on this ...

We either need a clear international hierarchy (and there mofa will be a child of motorcycle) or we ned national hierarchies. But as there are (in Switzerland) relatively few motorcar&motorcycle sings, I would vote for motor_vehicle=no & mofa=yes.

ahhh, it's not quite that simple, normally (in Switzerland) mofas are lumped in with bicycles, if we consider them to be motorcycles in disguise, we probably should tag every single cycleway with mofa=yes (actually it would be mofa=designated).

Simon

"Moped" is not really in use in Switzerland. The expression is used in Germany, and just to confuse matters there it designates a small displacement motorcycle and -not- a mofa.

Have a look at the German wikipedia "moped" page to see the problem.

AFAIK in Switzerland the equivalent of the German "moped" falls under motorcycle regulations. Mofas on the other hand are, with exception of the signs under discussion, treated as a bicycle.

Note on the side, the "no mofa access" sign actually simply requires you to turn the motor off, which at least on classical mofas (i.e. velo-solex) works reasonably well.

Simon

----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Sebire" evan@sebire.org To: talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [talk-ch] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:En:CH:Map_Features#General_d riving_ban

mofa in English is called a moped(motor & pedals). I'm a native English speaker and only know this word. This is different from a motor scooter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moped

Doing a quick search on OSM came up with; http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/moped_access

Evan

On Friday 11 Jun 2010 16:38:18 Thomas Ineichen wrote:

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Hi Simon,

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That's a Swiss question indeed, as most other countries only know sign 2.13 (car and motorcycle). I would tag 2.13 as motorcar=no and

motorcycle=no and 2.14 as motor_vehicle=no.

Maybe a better way would be to tag 2.13 as motor_vehicle=no, moped/mofa=yes, as it is not yet clear if moped/mofa is a child of

motorcycle or not.

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/741_21/a19.html

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/741_21/app2.html

Motorcycle definitely does not include mofa (Motorfahrrad).

Sorry, I probably wasn't clear enough in that point:

I meant it's not clear in the OSM-hierarchy, whether motorcycle includes mofas or not.

We either need a clear international hierarchy (and there mofa will be a child of motorcycle) or we ned national hierarchies. But as there are (in Switzerland) relatively few motorcar&motorcycle sings, I would vote for motor_vehicle=no & mofa=yes.

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