Re: [talk-ch] Fwd: Re: Swiss monuments

Am 31.03.2014 14:36, schrieb Stefan Oderbolz:

Generally I am very intersted in the topic of Swiss Monuments in combination with WikiData and OpenStreetMap. I'm the developer of the DenkMap [1] project, which currently visualizes the monuments from the canton of Zurich on a map. The integration of WikiData for my app is kind of the next step, to be able to query WikiData the missing piece.

Must be cool. - Unfortunately I'm paranoid, thus I didn't granted the rightv to the US server hosting your application, to access my location data on my machine. Sorry.

I guess the "Zurich Hackathon" refers to [2]. Is that correct?

Yes

As a member of various communities (opendata, OSM) and developer I'd like to participate or at least get more information about all this. I don't really know WikiData (apart from listening to the CRE podcast [3]).

I'm pretty sure, the wikimedia-/-data hackers share their happily their knowledge and ideas with you.

Cheeers, h.

Regards Stefan

[1] http://denkmap.herokuapp.com (pan to Zurich to see something, currently uses your current location to position the map) [2] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014 [3] http://cre.fm/cre205-wikidata

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Andreas Bürki <abuerki@anidor.com mailto:abuerki@anidor.com> wrote:

FYI


cheeeers, h.


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: Re: Swiss monuments
Datum: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 08:02:18 +0200
Von: Andreas Bürki <abuerki@anidor.com <mailto:abuerki@anidor.com>>
An: Estermann Beat <beat.estermann@bfh.ch
<mailto:beat.estermann@bfh.ch>>
Kopie (CC): 'Gerard Meijssen' <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
<mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>>,  Lydia
Pintscher <Lydia.Pintscher@wikimedia.de
<mailto:Lydia.Pintscher@wikimedia.de>>, Magnus Manske
<magnusmanske@googlemail.com <mailto:magnusmanske@googlemail.com>>,
Susanna Ånäs <susanna.anas@wikimedia.fi
<mailto:susanna.anas@wikimedia.fi>>

Dear Beat

So far I have no helpful thoughts on this issue.

But, thanks god I'm not the only OSM dude, thus I share this email with
the Swiss OSM ML, there read people with much more OSM insight and
experience than I have.

Cheeeers, h.




Am 28.03.2014 08:34, schrieb Estermann Beat:
> Well, if we agree on working on data from Switzerland, we should check
> which historical maps are available for Switzerland and maybe also
think
> about integrating the inventory of historical roads (it is
available as
> a geo-service).
>
>
>
> It should also be noted that the monuments lists from the
confederation
> don’t contain the years of construction of the buildings. However, in
> connection with historical maps, it could be fun to use data that
> includes the periods of construction, so you could actually only show
> buildings that had already existed at the time, along with the major
> roads of the time. I think we have a data set from the canton of
Zurich
> that could be used for this (for the other cantons, the situation
varies
> greatly).
>
>
>
> @Susanna: Is this something that could be connected to the work
you have
> been doing so far, or are you exclusively focusing on Scandinavia? –
> What would be the extra effort of including Swiss map data into your
> framework? How can we help with this?
>
>
>
> I’m including Andreas Bürki from the Swiss OSM community, so he can
> throw in his thoughts on this.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Beat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*Gerard Meijssen [mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
<mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Freitag, 28. März 2014 08:18
> *To:* Estermann Beat
> *Cc:* Lydia Pintscher; Magnus Manske; Susanna Ånäs
> *Subject:* Re: Swiss monuments
>
>
>
> Hoi,
>
> We already can put things on a map based on a query using the
unofficial
> tools. There will be map people in Zurich so working on Maps makes
> sense. It makes particular sense because Susanna is involved in
historic
> maps and putting both monuments on the map and maybe even putting them
> on historic maps seems to me like a way to get to synergy.
>
>
>
> So when you can get more OSM people to Zurich, I think they will
have fun.
>
> Thanks,
>
>       Gerard
>
>
>
> On 28 March 2014 07:51, Estermann Beat <beat.estermann@bfh.ch
<mailto:beat.estermann@bfh.ch>
> <mailto:beat.estermann@bfh.ch <mailto:beat.estermann@bfh.ch>>> wrote:
>
> Dear Gerard, dear all,
>
>
>
> I would be happy to work on this during the Zurich Hackathon. I have
> good connections to the data owner and the Wikipedians who have set up
> the monuments lists in the German Wikipedia, so I could certainly
bring
> in these perspectives and maybe also invite a few people to join us if
> necessary.
>
>
>
> One programmer from Zurich might also be interested in helping with
> this; I would however need to check with him to be sure. Software
> programmers are generally over-committed at such events, and he
also is
> still studying, so May might be a busy month from that side as well.
>
>
>
> I think it would be good to clarify in advance everybody’s
availability
> during the hackathon and to decide on a rough work plan.
>
>
>
> And please also let me know if you want to have OSM people on
board for
> this as well, or whether that would be a separate project.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Beat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*Gerard Meijssen [mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
<mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
> <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>>]
> *Sent:* Freitag, 28. März 2014 05:48
> *To:* Estermann Beat
> *Cc:* Lydia Pintscher; Magnus Manske
> *Subject:* Re: Swiss monuments
>
>
>
> Hoi,
>
> Yes, you are missing something. The tools I show you are not official
> and are not based in LUA. I would love to have the official
> functionality available but it is not. What I do know is that
Lydia and
> her team will be in Zurich and she may work with us on exactly this.
>
>
>
> The fact of the matter is that we can do what you need except it
will be
> using Wikidata and not LUA on WIkipedia.
>
> Thanks,
>
>      Gerard
>
>
>
> On 27 March 2014 22:03, Estermann Beat <beat.estermann@bfh.ch
<mailto:beat.estermann@bfh.ch>
> <mailto:beat.estermann@bfh.ch <mailto:beat.estermann@bfh.ch>>> wrote:
>
> Hi Gerard,
>
>
>
> I think as next steps we would need:
>
>
>
> -          A Lua implementation of a monuments list (some sort of
pilot
> implementation to demonstrate how the data will be included via a
> wikidata query)
>
> -          An interface to easily update monuments lists (I’m not sure
> whether Wikipedians will like the idea of having to update lists by
> editing Wikidata – I would expect some non-trivial usability issues
> there – ideally, it would be like editing an Excel table)
>
> -          Transfer of all the monuments data to wikidata (there seems
> to be still quite a lot of data missing)
>
> -          Replacement of all the old monuments lists by new lists
based
> on Lua.
>
>
>
> Does that make sense? – Am I missing something?
>
>
>
> Beat
>
>
>
> *From:*Gerard Meijssen [mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
<mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
> <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>>]
> *Sent:* Donnerstag, 27. März 2014 14:50
> *To:* Estermann Beat
> *Subject:* Re: Swiss monuments
>
>
>
> Hoi,
>
> Now that labs is working
> again, http://208.80.153.172/wdq/?q=claim[31:12126757]
> <http://208.80.153.172/wdq/?q=claim%5b31:12126757%5d> is a query that
> shows every item that is considered a "Swiss cultural property of
> regional significance".
>
>
>
> <grin> just for your amusement </grin> By the way I added images to 86
> Wikidata items :) it did not take long and, it was one result of
the query.
>
> Gerard
>
>
>
> On 27 March 2014 10:02, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
<mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
> <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
<mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> Hoi,
>
> It is relatively easy to make a query with all items that have a KGS
> number. <grin> labs willing and labs is down for this atm </grin>.
>
> The point of such a list is very much for others to use. It is trivial
> to add missing items to wikidata. Once they have a KGS number,
they will
> just pop up after ten minutes when the query is re-run. What is
> problematic from my point of view, is the way information is added to
> Wikidata. The fact that something is a Swiss monument is implicit
in the
> KGS number so it does not need to be an "instance of" because at
best it
> is an attribute of the building that you describe.
>
> It is not a real problem; it has everything to do with the
immaturity of
> Wikidata. The cool thing is that because of queries and bots and it
> being in a database it is rather easy to fix.
>
> When you want labels for all these items in other languages, it is
> rather easy as well when you use Reasonator. With a user has it set up
> properly, he can add labels and the processing is done while he
goes on
> with a next item.
>
> The only thing that is relevant is that you should concentrate on one
> place where you make changes. WHen you use Wikidata, you can use
LUA to
> reflect the changes in the Wikipedias.
>
> PS I will be in Zurich for the hackathon.. Is this something that
would
> be adavantageous ?
>
> Thanks,
>
>      Gerard
>
>
>
>
>
> On 27 March 2014 09:11, Estermann Beat <beat.estermann@bfh.ch
<mailto:beat.estermann@bfh.ch>
> <mailto:beat.estermann@bfh.ch <mailto:beat.estermann@bfh.ch>>> wrote:
>
> Hoi Gerard,
>
>
>
> Sure. I’m happy to help.
>
>
>
> The KGS-Nr. already has a wikidata property, in English: “PCP
reference
> number”:
>
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P381
>
>
>
> The following page and related talk page may also be of interest
to you:
>
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Cultural_heritage_task_force
>
>
>
> And here is some more background information about the lists that were
> used for WLM 2013:
>
>
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Schweizer_Denkmallisten/Roadmap_for_WLM_2013
>
>
>
> Feel free to send me more questions as they arise.
>
>
>
> Would it make sense to make a roadmap for the things you would like to
> implement?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Beat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*Gerard Meijssen [mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
<mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
> <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>>]
> *Sent:* Donnerstag, 27. März 2014 06:58
> *To:* Estermann Beat
> *Subject:* Swiss monuments
>
>
>
> Hoi,
>
> Could you help out with questions about the list that you identified ?
>
>
>
> The first question I have is: What is the KGS number and, what is its
> status.. Should it have a Wikidata property / does it have a Wikidata
> property ?
>
> Thanks,
>
>     Gerard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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