15 Jul
2021
15 Jul
'21
5:44 a.m.
This has been done from the start of this whole discussion, with exception of those who were already known to be active recently on the mailinglist.
Michael
On 14.07.21 22:34, René Buffat wrote:
I would suggest to contact the most active mappers (that contributed during the last 1-2 years to the hiking network) with direct messages. I assume most of these mappers are not necessarily subscribed to this mailing list or present at a Stammtisch.
lg rene
On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 14:41, michael spreng <mailinglist@osm.datendelphin.net mailto:mailinglist@osm.datendelphin.net> wrote:
Hi René You are setting a lot of pressure on me personally. I humbly started out to tackle this topic as an all-round mapper. A kind of moderator. Having mapped hiking routes as I encountered them since quite a few years. But of course nothing compared to you. Your hand hovering above the nuclear button of a revert is duly noted. I also get the impression that the mailing list is now only turning around each individual with roundabout statements. While the initial discussion was fruitful and informative, I now get nothing of substance that I could use to improve the situation further, especially on such short notice. I like the proposal to discuss this in a meeting, and encourage everyone to participate https://cloud.sosm.ch/index.php/apps/polls/s/Oi42HVw6gsR6L0mD <https://cloud.sosm.ch/index.php/apps/polls/s/Oi42HVw6gsR6L0mD> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Z%C3%BCrich/OSM-Treffen#130._OSM-Stammtisch_Juli_.28tbd..29_2021 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Z%C3%BCrich/OSM-Treffen#130._OSM-Stammtisch_Juli_.28tbd..29_2021> Michael On 14.07.21 06:31, René Buffat wrote: > Dear Stefan > > Can you elaborate on what exactly is broken that should have been fixed > by the recent changes? 1: Name tag, 2: It was self contradicting for named guide posts > > For me, it seems as the recent changes of the wiki are pushed by people > not involved, or only recently involved in mapping hiking routes. > > I think everyone agrees that the current state of the Wiki is not > optimal. But before significant changes are made these should be > discussed with the community that is actively mapping hiking routes. It > is pointless to change the wiki when the active contributors are not > aware of the changes or were not involved in these discussions. > > As far as I'm aware is the person that created the wiki entry has not > been actively involved in mapping hiking routes since at least a few > years ago. > > lg rene > > > On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 at 00:51, Stefan Keller <sfkeller@gmail.com <mailto:sfkeller@gmail.com> > <mailto:sfkeller@gmail.com <mailto:sfkeller@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > Dear René, lieber René > > Bitte mach das nicht. Dem Edit ist einige Diskussion vorausgegangen > u.a. mit denjenigen, die die Wiki-Seite erstellt haben. > Pls. don't do that because the way currently hiking routes are > tagged is broken. > Let's talk in person in order to explain the reasons e.g. at next > Zürcher OSM-Treffen? . > Are you available this thursday or friday? > See > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Z%C3%BCrich/OSM-Treffen#130._OSM-Stammtisch_Juli_.28tbd..29_2021 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Z%C3%BCrich/OSM-Treffen#130._OSM-Stammtisch_Juli_.28tbd..29_2021> > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Z%C3%BCrich/OSM-Treffen#130._OSM-Stammtisch_Juli_.28tbd..29_2021 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Switzerland:Z%C3%BCrich/OSM-Treffen#130._OSM-Stammtisch_Juli_.28tbd..29_2021>> > > Liebe Grüsse, Stefan > > Am Di., 13. Juli 2021 um 20:41 Uhr schrieb René Buffat > <buffat@gmail.com <mailto:buffat@gmail.com> <mailto:buffat@gmail.com <mailto:buffat@gmail.com>>>: > > > > The recent changes of the wiki do not reflect how currently hiking > routes are tagged and do not reflect the status of the discussion > here on the mailing list. I will revert them at the end of this > week, but I hope the author of the changes will do it earlier. > > > > lg rene > > > > On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 at 14:13, Stefan Keller <sfkeller@gmail.com <mailto:sfkeller@gmail.com> > <mailto:sfkeller@gmail.com <mailto:sfkeller@gmail.com>>> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Michael, dear all > >> > >> Thanks, Michael, for your proposal and the changes in the Wiki [1]. > >> I just wanted to support these changes as you announced in this > thread. > >> We really need a base network for hiking which is routable! > >> These changes don't exclude the many named routes mappers are > eager to > >> add (as relations) on top of that proper base network. > >> > >> ~Stefan > >> > >> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Switzerland/HikingNetwork <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Switzerland/HikingNetwork> > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Switzerland/HikingNetwork <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Switzerland/HikingNetwork>> > >> > >> Am Sa., 26. Juni 2021 um 11:32 Uhr schrieb michael spreng > >> <mailinglist@osm.datendelphin.net <mailto:mailinglist@osm.datendelphin.net> > <mailto:mailinglist@osm.datendelphin.net <mailto:mailinglist@osm.datendelphin.net>>>: > >> > > >> > Hallo Urs > >> > > >> > On 23.06.21 20:02, Flips wrote: > >> > > Die Info zum Stammtisch habe ich jetzt zu spät gelesen. > Vielleicht beim > >> > > nächsten Mal. > >> > > >> > Also um 20:00 Uhr waren wir noch lange nicht fertig :) > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Ich sehe die Routen nicht sls technische Routen, sondern als > offizielle > >> > > Routen. Warum sonst gibt es auf den Wegweisern Endziele mit > Zeitangaben > >> > > und von einigen Wegweiserstandorten aus Routen über > verschiedene Wege > >> > > zum selben Ziel. Dies wäre oftmals gar nicht nötig, um das > ganze Netz > >> > > abzubilden, da schon andere Routen die selben > Streckenabschnitte abdecken. > >> > > > >> > > Wenn das Wanderwegnetz nur als Netz ohne Routen verstanden > wird, dann > >> > > sollten, wie ich es schon in einem vorherigen Mail > beschrieben habe, > >> > > einzig die lcn=yes zu den highway=* dazugetagt werden. In OSM > sollten > >> > > nur echte Routen als Relationen gemapt werden. > >> > > Die from/to-tags werde ich künftig gerne berücksichtigen. > >> > > >> > Das würde technisch verhindern, dass eine way mehrmals vor > kommt. Aber: > >> > Es gibt einen starken Bruch zwischen Regionen, wo es keine > "referenz" > >> > (Name, Nummer, was auch immer) gibt für die Komponenten des > Basisnetz > >> > (CH), und Regionen, wo es das eben gibt. Sarah hat da am > Stammtisch ein > >> > Beispiel gezeigt für letzteres. 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