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1. Re: talk-ch Digest, Vol 2195, Issue 1 (Sergey Beliamei)
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3. Re: Mapbox mapping activity [Ticket#2022041410000184]
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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 15:38:22 +0300
From: Sergey Beliamei <siarhei.beliamei@mapbox.com>
To: talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch
Subject: Re: [talk-ch] talk-ch Digest, Vol 2195, Issue 1
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Hi!
On our wiki page we have a link on the pages with more detailed info about
project, which contains categories and examples, and also page about how we
deal with feedback. During our work we use all available sources from OSM,
so if there would be some local sources, we would surely use it. As soon as
we process issues, we'll update out ticket with json files, which will
contain exact items we're going to review. We will do if before the start
of review.

Best regards,
Member of Mapbox team,
Sergey

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> Hello from the Mapbox Team!
> In April 2022 our team is going to start a mapping project in Switzerland.
> As part of on-going work to improve the quality of OpenStreetMap data, our
> team is planning to review a subset of the detections to better understand
> the type of issues, and also fix any valid data issues directly in the OSM.
> Where concentrating on road mistakes to improve map condition. In
> Switzerland
> we plan to upload data once a week to see and fix the latest mistakes in
> mapping after reviewing the 1st iteration.
> We would really appreciate your feedback, any questions you have about this
> project, as well as local insights that you think will help us better
> understand the data.
> There's a link to our Github ticket
> <https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/407> to the related issue and a
> link to our page in OSM Wiki
> <
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/resolve_linting_issues_in_Switzerland
> >.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Member of Mapbox team,
> Sergey
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> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:04:43 +0200
> From: Simon Poole <simon@poole.ch>
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> Giving a hand wavy statement of intent without providing concrete
> examples of issues and how you intend to resolve them is not acceptable.
> Even less so given that the (template) wiki page does not contain any
> useful infomation and is just a circular reference to itself.
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> And just the fact that you are not listing any acceptable sources from a
> quality pov for the country is enought to request preemptive blocks on
> all mapbox employees.
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> Simon
>
>
> Am 14.04.2022 um 21:04 schrieb Sergey Beliamei:
> > Hello from the Mapbox Team!
> > In April 2022 our team is going to start a mapping project in
> Switzerland.
> > As part of on-going work to improve the quality of OpenStreetMap data,
> our
> > team is planning to review a subset of the detections to better
> understand
> > the type of issues, and also fix any valid data issues directly in the
> > OSM.
> > Where concentrating on road mistakes to improve map condition. In
> > Switzerland
> > we plan to upload data once a week to see and fix the latest mistakes in
> > mapping after reviewing the 1st iteration.
> > We would really appreciate your feedback, any questions you have about
> > this
> > project, as well as local insights that you think will help us better
> > understand the data.
> > There's a link to our Github ticket
> > <https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/407> to the related issue and
> a
> > link to our page in OSM Wiki
> > <
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/resolve_linting_issues_in_Switzerland
> >.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Member of Mapbox team,
> > Sergey
> >
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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 13:48:45 +0100
From: Andy Townsend <ajt1047@gmail.com>
To: talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch
Subject: [talk-ch] Mapbox mapping activity [Ticket#2022041410000184]
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Hello,

Andy Townsend from OSM's Data Working Group here. We were cc:ed on
http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/pipermail/talk-ch/2022-April/011470.html
and I've picked it up because I've been involved with a couple of
related tickets elsewhere. Sorry about the out-of thread message; I've
just joined this list to reply.

Mapbox have been creating these "projects" country by country at
https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues and what's happened in each
country has been broadly similar:

* Mapbox say that they will "resolve some issues" in that country, but
don't say what they will fix or how they detected them.
* The community in that country asks questions and gets only vague
handwavy answers (e.g.
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2022-April/003016.html
).
* The DWG then gets complaints about poor editing in that country and
has to try and deal with the mappers concerned (see e.g.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/del_account/blocks ).
* The local community and/or the DWG then has to go through a "bucket
and shovel" exercise to tidy up.

It makes no sense for Mapbox to take this approach in every country - it
just creates extra work for everyone.

A much better approach would be what (eventually, after much badgering
by the local community) happened in the UK. At
https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/387#issuecomment-1015316614
Mapbox published their list of "detected problems". What then happened
in the UK was that the local communityfixed a large number of the issues
(where there were genuine issues), and Mapbox's "mappers" didn't need to
do anything - something of a win/win for everyone. I suspect that the
Swiss OSM community is even better qualified than the UK one for that
approach to work here too.

Looking outside of Switzerland, I'm now worried about where there hasn't
been feedback on issues at https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/ ,
but that's offitopic for this list.

Best Regards,

Andy (from the DWG)

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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:39:21 +0100
From: Andy Townsend <ajt1047@gmail.com>
To: talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch
Subject: Re: [talk-ch] Mapbox mapping activity
[Ticket#2022041410000184]
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Hello,

Andy Townsend from OSM's Data Working Group here. We were cc:ed on
http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/pipermail/talk-ch/2022-April/011470.html
and I've picked it up because I've been involved with a couple of
related tickets elsewhere. Sorry about the out-of thread message; I've
just joined this list to reply.

Mapbox have been creating these "projects" country by country at
https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues and what's happened in each
country has been broadly similar:

* Mapbox say that they will "resolve some issues" in that country, but
don't say what they will fix or how they detected them.
* The community in that country asks questions and gets only vague
handwavy answers (e.g.
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2022-April/003016.html
).
* The DWG then gets complaints about poor editing in that country and
has to try and deal with the mappers concerned (see e.g.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/del_account/blocks ).
* The local community and/or the DWG then has to go through a "bucket
and shovel" exercise to tidy up.

It makes no sense for Mapbox to take this approach in every country - it
just creates extra work for everyone.

A much better approach would be what (eventually, after much badgering
by the local community) happened in the UK. At
https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/387#issuecomment-1015316614
Mapbox published their list of "detected problems". What then happened
in the UK was that the local communityfixed a large number of the issues
(where there were genuine issues), and Mapbox's "mappers" didn't need to
do anything - something of a win/win for everyone. I suspect that the
Swiss OSM community is even better qualified than the UK one for that
approach to work here too.

Looking outside of Switzerland, I'm now worried about where there hasn't
been feedback on issues at https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/ ,
but that's offitopic for this list.

Best Regards,

Andy (from the DWG)

(resending; original mail seems to have gone astray)
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