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Today's Topics:

1. New Membership Outreach (Christopher Beddow)
2. Re: New Membership Outreach (Peter Elderson)
3. Re: New Membership Outreach (Simon Poole)
4. Re: New Membership Outreach (Christopher Beddow)
5. Re: New Membership Outreach (Simon Poole)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 19:02:24 +0200
From: Christopher Beddow <christopher.beddow@gmail.com>
To: "Openstreetmap Schweiz/Suisse/Svizzera/Svizra"
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Subject: [talk-ch] New Membership Outreach
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After the FOSS4G conference in Firenze, I realize I met many people who are
in Zürich and maybe some other parts of Switzerland but not part of the
SOSM community.

What is the best way to point people to a welcome resource or give some
kind of invite to join discussions?

Should we consider any additional channels?

Previously I proposed making a Facebook page (not group) which serves as a
good way for me to use some advertising credit to promote the page to
demographics in Switzerland as an advertisement. But ideally that's not the
central place just a pointer toward mailing list and other places.

Is there any newsletter that may be more consolidated than the mailing list
(could link to top mailing list topics).

I am still new but definitely interested to have a good link to send to
people to get more involved if they are totally unfamiliar with mailing
lists and need a point of entry.
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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 19:23:21 +0200
From: Peter Elderson <pelderson@gmail.com>
To: Openstreetmap Schweiz/Suisse/Svizzera/Svizra
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Subject: Re: [talk-ch] New Membership Outreach
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How about a Swiss section on the new Discourse forum, with sticky messages to help newcomers?

Peter Elderson

> Op 29 aug. 2022 om 19:03 heeft Christopher Beddow <christopher.beddow@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
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> After the FOSS4G conference in Firenze, I realize I met many people who are in Zürich and maybe some other parts of Switzerland but not part of the SOSM community.
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> What is the best way to point people to a welcome resource or give some kind of invite to join discussions?
>
> Should we consider any additional channels?
>
> Previously I proposed making a Facebook page (not group) which serves as a good way for me to use some advertising credit to promote the page to demographics in Switzerland as an advertisement. But ideally that's not the central place just a pointer toward mailing list and other places.
>
> Is there any newsletter that may be more consolidated than the mailing list (could link to top mailing list topics).
>
> I am still new but definitely interested to have a good link to send to people to get more involved if they are totally unfamiliar with mailing lists and need a point of entry.
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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 19:51:03 +0200
From: Simon Poole <simon@poole.ch>
To: Openstreetmap Schweiz/Suisse/Svizzera/Svizra
<talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch>, Peter Elderson <pelderson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [talk-ch] New Membership Outreach
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Since nearly a decade new mappers in Switzerland get a welcome message pointing them to the mailing list, relevant social media accounts (since a couple of months including a FP page), the wiki and the SOSM website.

Other activities include regular presence at conferences and similar events, joint projects with WMF Switzerland and other organisations with similar aims (chopen, opendata.ch etc.) and promoting OSM in a educational context (https://openschoolmaps.ch/).

We currently don't promote the existing forum as we don't want to split limited resources over too many places, once the existing forum has been migrated to the new service, it may make sense to regroup around the Discourse service, but there are pro and cons to that and in the end the Swiss community will need to come to a consensus on that.

I'm not going to go in to details on all the services SOSM offers, but I will point out that we see our main role in promoting OSM and providing services to the community, not in banging the drum for SOSM itself.

Simon
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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 19:52:34 +0200
From: Christopher Beddow <christopher.beddow@gmail.com>
To: "Openstreetmap Schweiz/Suisse/Svizzera/Svizra"
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Subject: Re: [talk-ch] New Membership Outreach
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Aha thanks Simon, and agreed, too much stuff becomes too much work. The new
message goes to the OSM Inbox?

On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 19:51 Simon Poole <simon@poole.ch> wrote:

> Since nearly a decade new mappers in Switzerland get a welcome message
> pointing them to the mailing list, relevant social media accounts (since a
> couple of months including a FP page), the wiki and the SOSM website.
>
> Other activities include regular presence at conferences and similar
> events, joint projects with WMF Switzerland and other organisations with
> similar aims (chopen, opendata.ch etc.) and promoting OSM in a
> educational context (https://openschoolmaps.ch/).
>
> We currently don't promote the existing forum as we don't want to split
> limited resources over too many places, once the existing forum has been
> migrated to the new service, it may make sense to regroup around the
> Discourse service, but there are pro and cons to that and in the end the
> Swiss community will need to come to a consensus on that.
>
> I'm not going to go in to details on all the services SOSM offers, but I
> will point out that we see our main role in promoting OSM and providing
> services to the community, not in banging the drum for SOSM itself.
>
> Simon
> --
> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit Kaiten Mail
> gesendet.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:27:42 +0200
From: Simon Poole <simon@poole.ch>
To: talk-ch@openstreetmap.ch
Subject: Re: [talk-ch] New Membership Outreach
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Am 29.08.2022 um 19:52 schrieb Christopher Beddow:
> Aha thanks Simon, and agreed, too much stuff becomes too much work.
> The new message goes to the OSM Inbox?

Yes, and there's currently no alternative. Most editors will indicate
that you have unread messages, so it doesn't entirely rely on e-mail
working for notification. There are a couple of open issues for the
rails-port on potential improvements to the messaging system, but that's
a bit out of scope here.

One thing to note is that we historically haven't promoted becoming a
SOSM member in a big way. On the one hand we've always wanted to avoid
the impression that you need to participate in organized activities to
contribute to OSM, on the other hand, as I mentioned, we've always
understood ourselves as a service organisation and that doesn't really
require mass membership. More members would clearly be good, in
particular more active members, but that leads to the same dilemma as
being active in the OSMF and OSMF working groups. Either you need to
spend more time on OSM or it takes away from mapping which is likely why
you started being a regular OSM contributor in the first place.

The larger challenge is that the novelty of OpenStreetMap has worn off,
naturally totally expected and compounded by OSM being a success and in
a sense "winning". This makes contacts with governments, other
organisations and the industry far easier, but on the other hand has
reduced media coverage in Switzerland to a trickle over recent years,
making it difficult to get the message out to a larger audience.

Simon

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> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 19:51 Simon Poole <simon@poole.ch> wrote:
>
> Since nearly a decade new mappers in Switzerland get a welcome
> message pointing them to the mailing list, relevant social media
> accounts (since a couple of months including a FP page), the wiki
> and the SOSM website.
>
> Other activities include regular presence at conferences and
> similar events, joint projects with WMF Switzerland and other
> organisations with similar aims (chopen, opendata.ch
> <http://opendata.ch> etc.) and promoting OSM in a educational
> context (https://openschoolmaps.ch/).
>
> We currently don't promote the existing forum as we don't want to
> split limited resources over too many places, once the existing
> forum has been migrated to the new service, it may make sense to
> regroup around the Discourse service, but there are pro and cons
> to that and in the end the Swiss community will need to come to a
> consensus on that.
>
> I'm not going to go in to details on all the services SOSM offers,
> but I will point out that we see our main role in promoting OSM
> and providing services to the community, not in banging the drum
> for SOSM itself.
>
> Simon
> -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit
> Kaiten Mail gesendet.
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