[talk-ch] vandalism under the pretense of "simplifying"

RB tanrub at gmail.com
Thu Jun 30 17:18:48 CEST 2022

The arguments that we don't know the exact limit of things apply to most
mapped entities. It is going to be an assessment anyway. Where people put
the limit is eventually the consequence of a mix between the time invested,
the source used as well as the inevitable subjective assessment of the
individual mapper. The same applies to the exact angle of a castle roof

Regarding the changing nature of the vegetation, it is a positive thing. It
means that over time, people might be able to go back in time using OSM
history to study the evolution of the land cover.

"It would also be fair if you would currently wait with further mapping
until we have a somewhat clearer opinion about it here."

This is simply rude. People with a different view should map somewhere else
instead of destroying existing data. The point I am making is that the user
regressing the data should be stopped in some way. I don't know if all the
"simplifying" edits of this user can be reverted or if the user has also
contributed useful stuff in the same destructive edits.

Openstreetmap is about mapping the reality without stealing copyrighted
source with the best some people map temporary camping places in the
desert, other dog excrement
<https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=4661> baskets. All
motivations are valid as long the data is documented with good accuracy and
from legal sources. Do I really need to quote the wiki?

*OpenStreetMap is a free project done by volunteers. Anybody can enter
anything they wish. That said, a map works best when participants agree on
a code of conduct. These "Good Practices" are guidelines that will increase
the quality and value of our map data without any additional effort. Nobody
is forced to obey them. There might be cases where these guidelines don't
apply, or even contradict each other.*

Asking someone who hasn't imported any illegal data and is mapping
according to existing legal sources to "stop mapping" is ludicrous. Please
clarify the "we" so that we can put names on the Swiss OSM police taking
the project away from its good practices.

Le jeu. 30 juin 2022 à 15:51, Kt47uo5uVzW <kt47uo5uVzW at protonmail.com> a
écrit :

> You pointed out this argument a few times now. We get it and agree that
> the communication of these mappers could have been better.
> But I would also like to understand your mapping, because until now I (and
> felt the majority) are in favor of simplifying the forest areas for
> arguable reasons. That's why I would ask you to answer Sarah's questions
> so we can see your motivations and procedures as well.
> It would also be fair if you would currently wait with further mapping
> until we have a somewhat clearer opinion about it here.
> I hope we can find an objective solution about how detailed forest mapping
> makes sense. Thank you for your assistance.
> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/> secure email.
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Wednesday, June 29th, 2022 at 6:49 AM, RB <tanrub at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with you, it is probably not intentional. However, I see it as a
> problem. I dit write to the user.
> The way I see it is the following.
> Many Africans don't know how westerners like to eat their spaghettis. For
> most Westerners, rolling them around the fork is part of the fun, while
> most Africans overcook the pastas and cut them short. I was served a lot of
> spaghettis cut in small pieces by my host in Africa. It's not a big deal
> and always good intentioned but it would certainly start to be problematic
> if a person with the same good intentions would go to the supermarket and
> start breaking all the spaghettis "because they should be no more than 3cm
> long". I think that we are typically dealing with something of that nature.
> It might be well intentioned but it is an issue.
> Le mer. 29 juin 2022 à 08:34, David Haberthür <email at davidhaberthuer.ch>
> a écrit :
>> Ciao a tutti
>> > On 28 Jun 2022, at 22:19, RB <tanrub at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Altering the data and regressing from the truth with automated tools
>> because of personal opinions of what the data should be or not be is not.
>> I really don’t know if the original issue is a regression or digression,
>> but I would not imply vandalism and bad intention of the user that
>> simplified your/the forest outlines.
>> As already said, it’s probably best to discuss this directly in the
>> relevant changeset, too.
>> Have a great day,
>> Habi
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