[talk-ch] Mapbox mapping activity [Ticket#2022041410000184]

[Andy Townsend]

On 18/04/2022 14:11, Timeo Gut wrote:
> For those wondering about examples, the wiki page linked in the 
> initial e-mail contained a further link to this page 
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapbox_linters_types_description> 
> which describes in detail the kind of issues Mapbox is planning to fix.
>
Also, as mentioned at 
https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/387#issuecomment-1015316614 , 
the  json files at 
https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/407#issue-1204668361 can be 
unzipped and dropped on a browser pointing at geojson.io . That way you 
can see the "actual detected problems" (and see if they really are 
problems).

Best Regards,

Andy


> On 2022-04-17 16:31, Christopher Beddow wrote:
>> I want to chime in and say I am more than happy to put hours into 
>> fixing a list of issues if Mapbox can provide them.
>>
>> Even if no one is putting the time in to fix them from the community 
>> (a very far hypothetical situation from what would actually happen), 
>> Mapbox should publish the list of issues, or at the very least the 
>> list of categories with some examples.
>>
>> If the goal is good map data with minimal errors, then every reason 
>> to collaborate toward that end, no need to have competing objectives.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 15:39 Andy Townsend <ajt1047 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     Andy Townsend from OSM's Data Working Group here.  We were cc:ed
>>     on
>>     http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/pipermail/talk-ch/2022-April/011470.html
>>     and I've picked it up because I've been involved with a couple of
>>     related tickets elsewhere.  Sorry about the out-of thread
>>     message; I've just joined this list to reply.
>>
>>     Mapbox have been creating these "projects" country by country at
>>     https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues and what's happened in
>>     each country has been broadly similar:
>>
>>       * Mapbox say that they will "resolve some issues" in that
>>         country, but don't say what they will fix or how they
>>         detected them.
>>       * The community in that country asks questions and gets only
>>         vague handwavy answers (e.g.
>>         https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2022-April/003016.html
>>         ).
>>       * The DWG then gets complaints about poor editing in that
>>         country and has to try and deal with the mappers concerned
>>         (see e.g.
>>         https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/del_account/blocks ).
>>       * The local community and/or the DWG then has to go through a
>>         "bucket and shovel" exercise to tidy up.
>>
>>     It makes no sense for Mapbox to take this approach in every
>>     country - it just creates extra work for everyone.
>>
>>     A much better approach would be what (eventually, after much
>>     badgering by the local community) happened in the UK.  At
>>     https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/387#issuecomment-1015316614
>>     Mapbox published their list of "detected problems". What then
>>     happened in the UK was that the local communityfixed a large
>>     number of the issues (where there were genuine issues), and
>>     Mapbox's "mappers" didn't need to do anything - something of a
>>     win/win for everyone.  I suspect that the Swiss OSM community is
>>     even better qualified than the UK one for that approach to work
>>     here too.
>>
>>     Looking outside of Switzerland, I'm now worried about where there
>>     hasn't been feedback on issues at
>>     https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/ , but that's offitopic
>>     for this list.
>>
>>     Best Regards,
>>
>>     Andy (from the DWG)
>>
>>     (resending; original mail seems to have gone astray)
>>
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