[talk-ch] Mapbox mapping activity [Ticket#2022041410000184]

Timeo Gut timeo.gut at hotmail.com
Mon Apr 18 15:11:32 CEST 2022


For those wondering about examples, the wiki page linked in the initial 
e-mail contained a further link to this page 
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapbox_linters_types_description> 
which describes in detail the kind of issues Mapbox is planning to fix.

On 2022-04-17 16:31, Christopher Beddow wrote:
> I want to chime in and say I am more than happy to put hours into 
> fixing a list of issues if Mapbox can provide them.
>
> Even if no one is putting the time in to fix them from the community 
> (a very far hypothetical situation from what would actually happen), 
> Mapbox should publish the list of issues, or at the very least the 
> list of categories with some examples.
>
> If the goal is good map data with minimal errors, then every reason to 
> collaborate toward that end, no need to have competing objectives.
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 15:39 Andy Townsend <ajt1047 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Hello,
>
>     Andy Townsend from OSM's Data Working Group here.  We were cc:ed
>     on
>     http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/pipermail/talk-ch/2022-April/011470.html
>     and I've picked it up because I've been involved with a couple of
>     related tickets elsewhere.  Sorry about the out-of thread message;
>     I've just joined this list to reply.
>
>     Mapbox have been creating these "projects" country by country at
>     https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues and what's happened in
>     each country has been broadly similar:
>
>       * Mapbox say that they will "resolve some issues" in that
>         country, but don't say what they will fix or how they detected
>         them.
>       * The community in that country asks questions and gets only
>         vague handwavy answers (e.g.
>         https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2022-April/003016.html
>         ).
>       * The DWG then gets complaints about poor editing in that
>         country and has to try and deal with the mappers concerned
>         (see e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/del_account/blocks ).
>       * The local community and/or the DWG then has to go through a
>         "bucket and shovel" exercise to tidy up.
>
>     It makes no sense for Mapbox to take this approach in every
>     country - it just creates extra work for everyone.
>
>     A much better approach would be what (eventually, after much
>     badgering by the local community) happened in the UK.  At
>     https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/387#issuecomment-1015316614
>     Mapbox published their list of "detected problems". What then
>     happened in the UK was that the local communityfixed a large
>     number of the issues (where there were genuine issues), and
>     Mapbox's "mappers" didn't need to do anything - something of a
>     win/win for everyone.  I suspect that the Swiss OSM community is
>     even better qualified than the UK one for that approach to work
>     here too.
>
>     Looking outside of Switzerland, I'm now worried about where there
>     hasn't been feedback on issues at
>     https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/ , but that's offitopic
>     for this list.
>
>     Best Regards,
>
>     Andy (from the DWG)
>
>     (resending; original mail seems to have gone astray)
>
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