[talk-ch] talk-ch Digest, Vol 2195, Issue 2

Sergey Beliamei siarhei.beliamei at mapbox.com
Fri Apr 15 17:52:07 CEST 2022


Hello, Andy!
Thanks for your feedback. We will discuss it within the company and give
you an answer soon.

Best regards,
Member of Mapbox team,
Sergey

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> From: Sergey Beliamei <siarhei.beliamei at mapbox.com>
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> Hi!
> On our wiki page we have a link on the pages with more detailed info about
> project, which contains categories and examples, and also page about how we
> deal with feedback. During our work we use all available sources from OSM,
> so if there would be some local sources, we would surely use it. As soon as
> we process issues, we'll update out ticket with json files, which will
> contain exact items we're going to review. We will do if before the start
> of review.
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> Best regards,
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> > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:04:45 +0300
> > From: Sergey Beliamei <siarhei.beliamei at mapbox.com>
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> > Subject: [talk-ch] Mapbox mapping activity
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> > Hello from the Mapbox Team!
> > In April 2022 our team is going to start a mapping project in
> Switzerland.
> > As part of on-going work to improve the quality of OpenStreetMap data,
> our
> > team is planning to review a subset of the detections to better
> understand
> > the type of issues, and also fix any valid data issues directly in the
> OSM.
> > Where concentrating on road mistakes to improve map condition. In
> > Switzerland
> > we plan to upload data once a week to see and fix the latest mistakes in
> > mapping after reviewing the 1st iteration.
> > We would really appreciate your feedback, any questions you have about
> this
> > project, as well as local insights that you think will help us better
> > understand the data.
> > There's a link to our Github ticket
> > <https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/407> to the related issue and
> a
> > link to our page in OSM Wiki
> > <
> >
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/resolve_linting_issues_in_Switzerland
> > >.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Member of Mapbox team,
> > Sergey
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> > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:04:43 +0200
> > From: Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch>
> > To: talk-ch at openstreetmap.ch
> > Cc: Data Working Group <data at osmfoundation.org>
> > Subject: Re: [talk-ch] Mapbox mapping activity
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> > Giving a hand wavy statement of intent without providing concrete
> > examples of issues and how you intend to resolve them is not acceptable.
> > Even less so given that the (template) wiki page does not contain any
> > useful infomation and is just a circular reference to itself.
> >
> > And just the fact that you are not listing any acceptable sources from a
> > quality pov for the country is enought to request preemptive blocks on
> > all mapbox employees.
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > Am 14.04.2022 um 21:04 schrieb Sergey Beliamei:
> > > Hello from the Mapbox Team!
> > > In April 2022 our team is going to start a mapping project in
> > Switzerland.
> > > As part of on-going work to improve the quality of OpenStreetMap data,
> > our
> > > team is planning to review a subset of the detections to better
> > understand
> > > the type of issues, and also fix any valid data issues directly in the
> > > OSM.
> > > Where concentrating on road mistakes to improve map condition. In
> > > Switzerland
> > > we plan to upload data once a week to see and fix the latest mistakes
> in
> > > mapping after reviewing the 1st iteration.
> > > We would really appreciate your feedback, any questions you have about
> > > this
> > > project, as well as local insights that you think will help us better
> > > understand the data.
> > > There's a link to our Github ticket
> > > <https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/407> to the related issue
> and
> > a
> > > link to our page in OSM Wiki
> > > <
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/resolve_linting_issues_in_Switzerland
> > >.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Member of Mapbox team,
> > > Sergey
> > >
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> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 13:48:45 +0100
> From: Andy Townsend <ajt1047 at gmail.com>
> To: talk-ch at openstreetmap.ch
> Subject: [talk-ch] Mapbox mapping activity [Ticket#2022041410000184]
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> Hello,
>
> Andy Townsend from OSM's Data Working Group here.  We were cc:ed on
> http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/pipermail/talk-ch/2022-April/011470.html
> and I've picked it up because I've been involved with a couple of
> related tickets elsewhere.  Sorry about the out-of thread message; I've
> just joined this list to reply.
>
> Mapbox have been creating these "projects" country by country at
> https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues and what's happened in each
> country has been broadly similar:
>
>   * Mapbox say that they will "resolve some issues" in that country, but
>     don't say what they will fix or how they detected them.
>   * The community in that country asks questions and gets only vague
>     handwavy answers (e.g.
>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2022-April/003016.html
>     ).
>   * The DWG then gets complaints about poor editing in that country and
>     has to try and deal with the mappers concerned (see e.g.
>     https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/del_account/blocks ).
>   * The local community and/or the DWG then has to go through a "bucket
>     and shovel" exercise to tidy up.
>
> It makes no sense for Mapbox to take this approach in every country - it
> just creates extra work for everyone.
>
> A much better approach would be what (eventually, after much badgering
> by the local community) happened in the UK.  At
> https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/387#issuecomment-1015316614
> Mapbox published their list of "detected problems".  What then happened
> in the UK was that the local communityfixed a large number of the issues
> (where there were genuine issues), and Mapbox's "mappers" didn't need to
> do anything - something of a win/win for everyone.  I suspect that the
> Swiss OSM community is even better qualified than the UK one for that
> approach to work here too.
>
> Looking outside of Switzerland, I'm now worried about where there hasn't
> been feedback on issues at https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/ ,
> but that's offitopic for this list.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy (from the DWG)
>
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> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:39:21 +0100
> From: Andy Townsend <ajt1047 at gmail.com>
> To: talk-ch at openstreetmap.ch
> Subject: Re: [talk-ch] Mapbox mapping activity
>         [Ticket#2022041410000184]
> Message-ID: <fcd994ce-432e-6071-0e95-9ad298d3e50b at gmail.com>
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> Hello,
>
> Andy Townsend from OSM's Data Working Group here.  We were cc:ed on
> http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/pipermail/talk-ch/2022-April/011470.html
> and I've picked it up because I've been involved with a couple of
> related tickets elsewhere.  Sorry about the out-of thread message; I've
> just joined this list to reply.
>
> Mapbox have been creating these "projects" country by country at
> https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues and what's happened in each
> country has been broadly similar:
>
>   * Mapbox say that they will "resolve some issues" in that country, but
>     don't say what they will fix or how they detected them.
>   * The community in that country asks questions and gets only vague
>     handwavy answers (e.g.
>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ie/2022-April/003016.html
>     ).
>   * The DWG then gets complaints about poor editing in that country and
>     has to try and deal with the mappers concerned (see e.g.
>     https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/del_account/blocks ).
>   * The local community and/or the DWG then has to go through a "bucket
>     and shovel" exercise to tidy up.
>
> It makes no sense for Mapbox to take this approach in every country - it
> just creates extra work for everyone.
>
> A much better approach would be what (eventually, after much badgering
> by the local community) happened in the UK.  At
> https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/387#issuecomment-1015316614
> Mapbox published their list of "detected problems".  What then happened
> in the UK was that the local communityfixed a large number of the issues
> (where there were genuine issues), and Mapbox's "mappers" didn't need to
> do anything - something of a win/win for everyone.  I suspect that the
> Swiss OSM community is even better qualified than the UK one for that
> approach to work here too.
>
> Looking outside of Switzerland, I'm now worried about where there hasn't
> been feedback on issues at https://github.com/mapbox/mapping/issues/ ,
> but that's offitopic for this list.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy (from the DWG)
>
> (resending; original mail seems to have gone astray)
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